@OlafS25

It is easy task for you, me and few others. Many would like simple working solution.

@OlafS25

Yes sure, many of us still have all of these components.

I have OS4 under UAE, it's why I hope that AEon will remove the classic limitations otherwise it's not really usable. Fun a little bit but far away a real OS4 system.

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@zzd10h

I believe that Michael B of Cloanto is planning to implement a PCI device and access to more RAM.

@zzd10h

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I hope that AEon will remove the classic limitations otherwise it's not really usable.

Much to A-EON's dismay, OS4 is still a Hyperion product.

Costel Mincea went on record last weekend (during a German meeting) that "Hyperion does not support UAE" and that "only features benefiting actual hardware will be implemented". They do have an internal build of the classic Kernel that can use Z3 memory - which would be a way to use more than 128/256 MB RAM under UAE - but since Z3 memory is so slow on real hardware, it's not clear he's going to release it. He was stressing that only Hyperion is in a position to change anything about the RAM limitation.

As for the other limitation (Video RAM limited to 4MB under WinUAE): That can be solved by WinUAE emulating better graphics cards like a CybervisionPPC, or a PCI expansion with a Voodoo 3 card. Last I heard, work on that was under way.

@cgutjahr @rob

thanks for explanations

Therefore Hyperion said :
"Hyperion does not support UAE" "only features benefiting actual hardware will be implemented". "
Hmmm...

Hoping that AEon will convince Hyperion to allow changes in OS4

Wait and see...

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Or Cloanto...

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@cgutjahr @rob thanks for explanations Therefore Hyperion said : "Hyperion does not support UAE" "only features benefiting actual hardware will be implemented". " Hmmm... Hoping that AEon will convince Hyperion to allow changes in OS4 Wait and see...

Apart from philosophical positions about supporting real hardware, the fact the ROMs required are not legally available must be sticking point for official support.

(my opinion not that of hyperion, I'm just a beta tester)

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thanks for the update Marko

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@broadblues

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Apart from philosophical positions about supporting real hardware, the fact the ROMs required are not legally available must be sticking point for official support. (my opinion not that of hyperion, I'm just a beta tester)

im with you on that assumption.

@RobertB

Yes, I totally forgot A.L.I.C.E. I've now added it to post #1.

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Yep, I've added the last part to post #1.

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Thanks for the slides

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@zzd10h

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zzd10h wrote: @cgutjahr @rob thanks for explanations Therefore Hyperion said : "Hyperion does not support UAE" "only features benefiting actual hardware will be implemented". " Hmmm... Hoping that AEon will convince Hyperion to allow changes in OS4 Wait and see...

If you look back to posts since about 10 years ago, you'll see that Hyperion are terrified of piracy of their OS (not entirely without reason - who here bought even 10% of their games in the 80s?) That's one of the main reasons why they only port OS4 to hardware that they have enough control over, that they can mandate a copy protection ROM be put on it. The exception to this are classics and UAE. Classics are slow and expensive and so not a threat, but UAE isn't so that port gets nerfed. If UAE became the primary platform for OS4 (gee, should I buy a $5000 system or download a free emulator which runs just as fast?) then they'd be forced to remove the artificial limits and really expose themselves to rampant piracy.

@Broadbluse @CodeSmith

OK, but in this case why AEon plan to launch a X86 UAE laptop if their OS4Classic will have the same limitations.

Only AEon and/or Hyperion and/or Cloanto could reply.
Are they around ? (call for reply without hope )

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then they'd be forced to remove the artificial limits and really expose themselves to rampant piracy.

And yet, everybody keeps telling us that the FE edition is selling like stupid - due to all the WinUAE users.

Btw.: "Artificial limits" is a really nice description for a bunch of $3000 to $4000 computers I'll refer to them as the Artificial Limit X1000 and the Artificial Limit X5000 from now on, giving you credit in my sig.

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the fact the ROMs required are not legally available must be sticking point for official support.

Nobody ever asked them to provide support for UAE, I get why they'd rather avoid that. But Costel was talking about not releasing a feature that has already been implemented and that would greatly benefit users of their biggest seller.

That strikes me as strange. Tbh, I think the point of the presentation was to stress that "only Hyperion is in a position to do that", as a kind of warning to whatever outsiders might try to mess with the kernel.

@cgutjahr

If you remove those limitations and run AmigaOS 4.1 on the fastest possible PC then it'll be enough for many and they won't have any valid reason to buy an AmigaNG.
Even if Hyperion do not help them one day it'll happen, hacks are pretty common on the Amiga land. The only reason why it has not been already done is because you've to deal with PPC assembly in your reversing efforts and also maybe because you've to understand first what should be done to remove them properly.

I suppose that AmigaOS look for cards connected to it, if it's a memory expansion it'll check the amount of memory, the memory will be mapped into the system. If you find a way to say to the system that the memory is bigger and have set UAE memory to the same values too, I see no reason for it to do work. But again we should look in the details if there's more to know. How about starting a technical thread about it and people throws ideas while other try them.

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Hyperion SSoiie replied about OS4 Classic.
I don't understand the goal of ALICE

"zzd10h :
1) Regarding A-Eon ALICE project, is Hyperion plan to increase the RAM & GFX memory of OS4 Classic ?

SSolie :
Not at this time.
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http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=797840&postcount=25

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it'll be enough for many and they won't have any valid reason to buy an AmigaNG.

Slow LAN, slow GFX, no compositing, no 3D... I´m looking forward to buy A1-A1222.

OS4 explicitly prohibits use of Z3 RAM as normal Fast RAM. Only change in kernel (really simple change!) could solve this problem.


If I heard Cloanto´s prsentation in Neuss correctly, they work on some sort of support for PowerPC emulation for Amiga Forever, including more than 4 GB RAM (yes he mentioned support for 64 bit CPU - not a problem if you use QEMU CPU core).