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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 3-Sep-2017 16:27:14
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 3-Sep-2017 16:58:44
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I'm curious about a couple of data points.
a) How does one interpret the clock speed here? or, what is the actual clock speed? The Apollo page tells me only how performance is comparable to several systems (400 MHz 040, 200MHz 060, etc) so I'm curious what its actual clock speed is.
b) Looks nice in comparison to 20 year-old hardware, but by way of comparison a several year-old 2.5GHz Core i5 looks 170 times faster in the Dhrystone comparison (17069702 v. 99790). That's not a complaint, but it is why I want to know the actual clock speed, and how the Apollo might improve as FPGA's improve.
Sorry if this is an old, hashed-out topic, but I haven't paid attention to this until recently. _________________ I've decided to follow an awful lot of people I respect and leave AmigaWorld. If for some reason you want to talk to me, it shouldn't take much effort to find me. |
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 3-Sep-2017 17:07:42
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Clock speed says nothing. Only application performance really matters. |
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 3-Sep-2017 17:10:20
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How does one interpret the clock speed here? or, what is the actual clock speed? |
I think I found the answer to my own question. At this page on the Apollo Forum Gunnar calls it an 80MHz FPGA.
So if I understand correctly, 1.5 GHz / 80MHz comes to 18.75 times faster, while the MacBook Pro is performing about 170 times faster. Considering all the other issues involved (bus speed, cache, etc.) I know it's not completely comparable, but it answers the question I had: it would take a lot more than ramping up the clock speed to obtain the same performance.
If, as I say, I understand correctly. I'd be happy to be made to understand more correctly. _________________ I've decided to follow an awful lot of people I respect and leave AmigaWorld. If for some reason you want to talk to me, it shouldn't take much effort to find me. |
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 3-Sep-2017 17:10:44
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Good question, and Gunnar pretty much flat out says Sysinfo isnt a good test for CPU test. But its one that most are familiar with, so I guess thats why its being shown.
A discussion on that topic is here;
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=8375
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And I agree with pavlor, application speed is what matters at the end of the day.
Im sure betatesters are going to release youtubes with their tests in the coming days. Last edited by Overflow on 03-Sep-2017 at 05:13 PM.
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simplex
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 3-Sep-2017 17:14:19
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I understand that clock speed is not everything. Apple's Photoshop demo on a PowerPC G4 ran circles around Photoshop on x86 machines of the time, despite the G4's having a much lower clock speed. And yet you still would not want an Apple all the time.
But it still says something. Some people actually live and die by CPU computation speed alone, being able to hold/organize nearly everything in cache (some special-case computer algebra systems are designed precisely for this). _________________ I've decided to follow an awful lot of people I respect and leave AmigaWorld. If for some reason you want to talk to me, it shouldn't take much effort to find me. |
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 3-Sep-2017 17:16:11
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Thanks, but something went wrong with the link -- it takes me to the main Apollo Forum. _________________ I've decided to follow an awful lot of people I respect and leave AmigaWorld. If for some reason you want to talk to me, it shouldn't take much effort to find me. |
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 3-Sep-2017 17:19:43
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Welp! Im not allowed to edit that post for some reason.
Its the 160 mips thread |
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pavlor
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 3-Sep-2017 17:44:47
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But it still says something |
Yes, 25 MHz 68020 is as fast as 25 MHz 68040... |
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 3-Sep-2017 21:56:46
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Yes, 25 MHz 68020 is as fast as 25 MHz 68040... |
...and half as slow as a 50 MHz 68020. It says something._________________ I've decided to follow an awful lot of people I respect and leave AmigaWorld. If for some reason you want to talk to me, it shouldn't take much effort to find me. |
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 3-Sep-2017 22:00:43
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Here's an important point of Gunnar's:
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SYSINFO is a fake. Sysinfo claims to measure Dhrystone results but does not implement the dhrystone test. |
I hope to see some real Dhrystone tests eventually._________________ I've decided to follow an awful lot of people I respect and leave AmigaWorld. If for some reason you want to talk to me, it shouldn't take much effort to find me. |
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 4-Sep-2017 6:24:31
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dommer416 wrote: So when does the Vamp V4 happen? |
"Apollo Team expects first batch of Vampire V4 to be available in Q4’17. An official ETA will be announced once first batch order is processed at factory. Strategy is to deliver first A1000/A500/A2000/CDTV model, then standalone system and finally A1200 one."
Pulled from the full release announcement PDF: http://www.apollo-accelerators.com/files/V4_announcement_v1_5.pdf |
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 4-Sep-2017 14:26:04
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...and half as slow as a 50 MHz 68020. It says something. |
That was irony... 68040 25 MHz is 3-4x faster in most integer benchmarks than 68020 25 MHz (not even counting bulit-in FPU). |
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 4-Sep-2017 18:21:00
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That was irony... 68040 25 MHz is 3-4x faster in most integer benchmarks than 68020 25 MHz (not even counting bulit-in FPU). |
Ah. I figured you were being pedantic, inasmuch as the clock speed is the same, so, "just as fast."_________________ I've decided to follow an awful lot of people I respect and leave AmigaWorld. If for some reason you want to talk to me, it shouldn't take much effort to find me. |
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 4-Sep-2017 18:56:47
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inasmuch as the clock speed is the same, so, "just as fast." |
Just as fast... I wonder why people spend so much for 68040 boards when these are just as fast as their good old 68020/68030s. |
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 11-Sep-2017 3:52:42
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| Quoted from Gunnars post on apollo forum;
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There is a significant FPU performance speed increase in GOLD 2.7 and latest WIP FEMU. In some real world FPU benchmarks even results outclassing 68882 FPU, beating 68040 FPU, and reaching the speed of 68060+FPU are achieved. |
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 13-Sep-2017 8:07:20
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| Latest news on ApolloCore forum, posted by Gunnar:
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The Apollo-team did great work on the new VAMPIRE-GFX driver. The new GFX driver is AMMX enabled and improves GFX-performance significantly. AMIGA GFX performance is now clearly lead by SAGA - VAMPIRE. |
Image showing the results HERE
So, Vampire not only is the fastest (Integer) 68K Amiga available, but looks to also be the fastest 2D Chipset available for 68K software. That's good Last edited by ErikBauer on 13-Sep-2017 at 08:10 AM. Last edited by ErikBauer on 13-Sep-2017 at 08:08 AM.
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 13-Sep-2017 8:20:05
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| Adding to Bauers post above;
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The picture combines 3 GFX cards. LEFT = Cybervision64 in an AMIGA-4000 with 68060 CPU Middle = Picasso IV in an AMIGA-4000 with 68060 CPU RIGHT = Amiga 600 with SAGA-VAMPIRE (68080 CPU) running GOLD 2.7 prerelease You see in each picture the scores of the test. For example
WRITE CHUNK PIXEL Cybervision64 = 892 PICASSO IV = 637 SAGA VAMPIRE-2 = 6580 For comparison AMIGA 4000T with 604e 200mhz/060/128mb mit CybervisionPPC scores: WriteChunkyPixels = 1097
Higher result is better. Behind the score is also printed a factor. For the PICASSO IV is in white in this row a "10.33" This means SAGA VAMPIRE is 10.33 times faster than PICASSO IV in this test. |
Seems to be developments on the AROS front too Vampirewise;
50% of the GFX driver is done, HW sprite, IDE practically fixed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w6RSWp-rBsLast edited by Overflow on 13-Sep-2017 at 08:22 AM. Last edited by Overflow on 13-Sep-2017 at 08:20 AM.
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 13-Sep-2017 8:47:25
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i have an impression that it is in both cases the same p96 saga driver. |
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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo Posted on 13-Sep-2017 14:27:03
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| heres apparently a short video about a current status of aros on a vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlsBpJCsViw&feature=youtu.be among others owb browsing to aros-exec. admittedly it loads ages, but the binary is huge and if its run for the first time it may need to build font cache. apparantly it takes 20s to render the page, it isnt that great, but then it is a css browser. |
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