@OlafS25

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You guys are too hardware centric anyway...

What?!
I have 8 bit hardware, FPGA boards, 68K based systems, X64 systems and PPC systems, but I'm too hardware centric?
You're argument better describes your own position.
I have no problem playing around with my own 68K hardware, I'm just not foolish enough to promote the idea that it is competitive with later hardware.
And I use PPC hardware to run my favorite NG OS simply because that is what it runs on, BUT that may not be limited that that in the future.
AND, evil or not, Microsoft's Win7 and Win10 are pretty good offerings, light years better than the crap the company was vending when the Amiga was current.

Hardware centric? Hardly, more like hardware agnostic and software centric.

Its not my side that keeps spouting nonsense like "No Amiga parts, no Amiga".

Personally, for me, if it runs the software, that's where my experience lives.
AND, if it runs better than your solution, all the better.

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@Beans

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Its not my side that keeps spouting nonsense like "No Amiga parts, no Amiga".

simple: if it isnt an amiga, then it isnt one. vampire isnt an "amiga", but it doesnt make it less interesting. save for few, maybe.

@wawa

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vampire isnt an "amiga"

You're going to get flack over that, but I'd tend to agree.
But it DOES improve on it, and its intended for legacy hardware, so the purists will overlook that.

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@Beans

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You're going to get flack over that, but I'd tend to agree.

im not sure, im going to get any flack here, but lets see.

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so the purists will overlook that.

they are free to do so. no problem.

Very few people actually, beyond the most pedantic, cares bout labels.

What attracts the sane nerds is the experience. Those that get hung up on the names, are beyond help.

@Samurai_Crow

Why would you do that, though? Generally vector processing is used for operating on data streams; image/video/audio decompression etc. in which you read, process, write. You very rarely use a SIMD unit to do work that involves scalar work again afterwards. If you've got 32 vector registers of which the first 8 are expanded aliases of the data registers then I would expect that most code would avoid using them because it still needs scalar registers for loop counters and such. This means that you might never get any use our of all 32 vector registers in any real world code.

I'm no expert in the hardware design area but it seems like an odd choice to me.

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@Overflow

That might be the general thought on the matter. When you look at groups that talk about retro computing the name carries more value than is ought to, but still, you can't separate it from the memories. If one could do it, I would perhaps have more users from my country to share things with. Instead you see people clinging. Why? is it THAT different than what we've been doing all those years either by trying to survive without any support or yearning to come back? when you try to put rationality on it in any capacity that where it fails. If a current mainstream experience leaves many people wanting then that doesn't mean they would go for something else. They might go back and sooner be nostalgic than go for something different and very good on its own. That leads me to 2 thoughts:
1. Needs and desires in this field of ours are varied - you can't just mix them; likewise about users and consumers.
2. What we do here is not an exercize in being cool, different and underground. I use my machine as a regular user doing regular things. We need to expand this not realise our place or something.

Do you try to "hit" that one target of the Amiga brand? do you mix your platform in such a way you can offer mainstream appeal while losing uniquneness and some consumers desire to do it differently? those are questions not answers mainly because they are not entirely rational.

If the vamp is cool, opens up new possibilites for the classic hardware, can reenact some feelings in a new way of doing it (maybe in parallel to other current uses), then it might fulfill something and will definitely have a place. Wasn't the CD32 kind of that cool project to capture those middle of the road consumers/users? in a different way it was also about expansion of the basic design - which doesn't always have to be in the form of add-on cards. Special add-on cards in a way to transform both classic and modern would be cool, though.

Even if you have a sort of Amiga coalition, and all those forces declare they have come together to produce another boom period, that won't due because of said reasons. That coop would have to take a backseat and hide either behind an AMIGA!!!111!!11 or some quantom isomorphic holodeck (hoping marketing hits its stride this time around).

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Language issues.

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I am reading all the comments as an old timer on the Amiga scene and I can't help thinking that FPGA is the way to go. It offers so much more potential and hope than anything the Amiga "scene" has seen for a very long time.

I hate to simplify a an overcomplicated argument (and it is overcomplicated). The Vampire currently offers a standard FPGA way of expanding "our" Amiga's. That is good. There is NO OTHER WAY of expanding currently to the speed of the Vampire so lap it up while you can enjoy it. Never mind the past and current politics this IS the way forward - embrace it and make the Vampire project the future of the Amiga.

Merry Christmas everyone.

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wawa wrote: looks like a hundred people register their interest every single day since the preorder for the a500 version has opened. overwhelming!

yes and that's some SERIOUS money right there! as I type it's 1700 orders @ 300 euros and I'm sure the final number will be easily double or triple that so kudos to the Team for helping the community and making some decent return for their efforts

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@Overflow

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qqw8SI3SQA&

This video is unavailable.

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@SKOLMAN_MWS

Works for me, just clicked the link and it played

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@Overflow

Nice! Page loading speed is OK, but what about scrolling speed?

@pavlor

Scrolling speed also getting a lot better compared to previous versions, but with large or heavy pages still jerky, but don't expect miracles from limited hardware
Used the same build (10 dec) on my vamp 2 A600 silver 9 core at x11 speed.
All in all netsurf is coming along now very nicely.

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@wawa

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simple: if it isnt an amiga, then it isnt one

Which begs the real question: what is an Amiga?

@ne_one

if you stop capitalizing it, it goes away. dont let the gadget gain control ;)

http://personal.inet.fi/surf/shk/V500_3585_x13_NetSurf-nofpu.11Dec2016.mp4

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@ne_one

amiga is any platform that run AmigaOS

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@Seiya

Nope. Amiga is a physical machine with peculiar hardware. Not an emulated or virtual environment. Then if you want to pretend that your PC is an Amiga, you're welcome. I did it in the past but it's just pretending.