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zzd10h 
Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 17:55:26
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@HyperionMP

Hi,
Could you, please, explain to your customers why no bugfixes/updates are published since the initial release of your OS ?

Despite the bugs reports of your users since 1 year (see here) and the regular updates sent to your betatesters, no updates are availables through AmiUpdate.

Thank you, by advance, to take the time to reply to this simple question :

"What is the problem that avoid you to publically publish OS4 FE updates ?"


It will allow to know if to spend our free time to use (and/or develop for) this OS is still useful.

Thank you,
Guillaume

PS : OS4 haters, please don't use this thread to bash OS4/Hyperion or to promote your own OS

Last edited by zzd10h on 22-Jan-2016 at 05:58 PM.

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 17:59:08
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@zzd10h

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PS : OS4 haters, please don't use this thread to bash OS4/Hyperion or to promote your own OS


Way did you not just send a PM?

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 18:00:20
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To have a public reply

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 18:07:46
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i think he did, not just here.

i understad they are hard at work to get os4 working with the two new mainbords, like they said, every system file,changes, programs and new features needed to get those os4.1 working on those mainboards will be transferred back to us when they are finished, so there are alot of bug fixing right now that we will get WHEN os4.1 development is finished for amigaone x5000 and the other one..

thats what they have told us.. so hope they are finished soon..

ps. @zzd10h

i totally understand you btw.

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 18:14:48
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+1.... 'been wondering the same for over 1 yr....

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 18:39:26
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@zzd10h

FE = Final Edition ....

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 18:44:32
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Yep having some news would be nice ...

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 18:47:50
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@zzd10h


+1

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 18:58:42
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@zzd10h

They are 100% focused on the port of OS4.1 on Cyrus; it must be more difficult than expected since availability of X5000 for final customers was expected on September 2015 (4 months late for now).

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 19:07:43
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Updates are sent to FE betatesters, not only to X5000 FE betatesters.

The question, for HyperionMP, is for all OS4 platforms standard users.

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 19:13:16
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 19:14:31
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@zzd10h

+1

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 19:23:04
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@zzd10h

Ssolie stated that one Final update for OS4.1 would have been released, I think it will contain all the bugfixes already sent to beta testers.
I think they'll release it after the release on the market of X5000... My is only a supposition naturally, if Hyperion will answer to your question it would be good

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 20:46:21
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@zzd10h

+1 It is not cool. We all have been holding on for bug fixes and updates. Also 4 months late for X5000 and 4 months longer for A-Eon to hold on to 750,000.00 +. The one company that is keeping the flame for us all. Let go Hyperion

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 22:02:52
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@all: a good new for OS4 comes from Toni Wilen.

Here's what is working on with WinUAE:

- uaegfx is now working!
- uaehf.device HD_SCSICMD should also work (Updated)

Simply copy uaegfx and uaegfx.info from OS3 WB to OS4 devs:monitors. Note that NOBLITTER tooltype may be currently faster due to slow traps.


Take a look at the screenshot: it's impressive!

And from another comment:

Talking about the monitor driver, it works even with the composition turned on, but I had to switch the screen mode to 16 bits, because OS 4.1 has problems to render the title bars of all decorated windows in 24/32 bits here.

I think that this version of WinUAE can be called "pavlor edition" when it'll be released, .

What Hyperion can do to complete the work, is make a big gift to its OS4 "classic" users: introduce the already existing patch to let Z3 RAM be added to the system memory, removing the 128MB memory.

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Talking about the monitor driver, it works even with the composition turned on,


This is not hardware accellerated and was possible even with Picasso IV driver (eg. for transparent windows). However, it is not true compositing, games requiring compositing will not work.

UAEGFX is much slower than Picasso IV (OS4), but I┤m sure speed will improve in next releases. Interesting to note, OS4 started automatically with UAEGFX (with monitor file in Devs/Monitors), even though I changed nothing in Screenmode prefs. Nice for quick experiments.

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uaehf.device HD_SCSICMD should also work (Updated)


Support for Windows directories is nice addition, fast enough for basic file transfer in this second release.

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I think that this version of WinUAE can be called "pavlor edition" when it'll be released,


Betas are available even today.

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What Hyperion can do to complete the work, is make a big gift to its OS4 "classic" users: introduce the already existing patch to let Z3 RAM be added to the system memory, removing the 128MB memory.


Better to introduce needed changes for current and future kernels. Several years OS component (if we assume it exists) would offer only limited value.

Last edited by pavlor on 22-Jan-2016 at 10:32 PM.

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Posted on 22-Jan-2016 22:45:19
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Please...

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Posted on 22-Jan-2016 22:51:33
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Please...


Feature requests aren┤t allowed in this thread?

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 22-Jan-2016 23:53:53
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Probably wrong people at Hyperion holding the strings. Why care about what the users need. They can wait. Who cares if people get bored and some stops using their favourite system. Better wait until x5000 drivers are finished. Even if it takes x years. Who needs bugfixes.

Last edited by Kicko on 22-Jan-2016 at 11:55 PM.
Last edited by Kicko on 22-Jan-2016 at 11:54 PM.

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 23-Jan-2016 0:23:27
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@zzd10h

I understand Hyperion wanting to get work done to sell the two new boards by A-EON but what I can't understand is they left Timberwolf dormant for so long that it is of no use to anyone and now we are left with an operating system with an incomplete browser and now a crippled browser (Odyssey) and the other two options also don't meet current web browsing standards. As it stands web browsing is useless on my NG System yet they want me to buy a new computer be it an A-EON system or a Sam system, why spend thousands of dollars on a system that has no web browsing software?

Hyperion need to deliver the basics a maintained up to date Web Browser, Mail Client and GFX drivers that offer full support of the GPU meaning both 2D and 3D.

I refuse to pay for AmigaOS 4.1 FE until I have confidence they can deliver well supported eco system and operating system.

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