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wawa 
Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 3-Feb-2016 17:35:42
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Personally I think people take the vision Aeon had, and ran amok with it, inflating the expecations far beyond what Trevor ever has promised.


i dont know who is personally responsble for this, but x1k hype was imposed without limit on the audience. the latter, blaming themselves afterwards for running amok and inflated expectations, like you do, as well as others for trolling in case of misadvantageous outcome has been long and foreseeable attitude around here.

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wawa wrote:
@Overflow

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Personally I think people take the vision Aeon had, and ran amok with it, inflating the expecations far beyond what Trevor ever has promised.


i dont know who is personally responsble for this, but x1k hype was imposed without limit on the audience. the latter, blaming themselves afterwards for running amok and inflated expectations, like you do, as well as others for trolling in case of misadvantageous outcome has been long and foreseeable attitude around here.


I should know better What Trevor and A-Eon said they would do with the X1000 they did. It's the fastest computer that runs OS4.1FE natively at this time and it's a darn rock solid computer. I'm very happy that I bought one and have alot of fun with it much like my A1000 which sits proudly next to it

Now please this thread is about Hyperion and more specifically about OS4.1FE updates eh

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
Posted on 3-Feb-2016 18:59:59
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@wawa

Ive never expressed "inflated expectations" etc. What I mean is that people buying Aeon hardware should have known they are purchasing "work in progress". Considering the development historically in "amigaland", it shouldnt be much of a suprise.

That doesnt mean I feel the urge to be negative about everything Aeon/Hyperion related. There are constructive critisism, and there is finding faults no matter what happens, "just because".

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
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Cost and complexity are high.


And yet there is an unrelenting desire to throw more time, energy and money into new hardware? Hardware became a throw-in commodity a decade ago and yet the Amiga market still bases everything around it.

The elephant in the room is that a subatomic-sized, fusion reactor-powered board wouldn't sell if its main purpose were to run 30 year old software.


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lol thats a good one! you somehow linked Bill Mcewen and Ainc (of all things lol) to a morphos team joke. wow. The true story of this is from BPLAN. Apparently, the then "spokesperson" for Bplan was promising the arrival of the Pegasos in "two more weeks" when in reality it took many months more. He was fired. Even funnier is his statement "A Bplan 2 weeks is 14 days" (lol) it looked really stupid. And there is one thing smart German engineers dont like to be associated with is stupidity lol. This is from memory and I think the quote is accurate. This was from Gerald himself when we were at SNDF with Motorolla.

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The "two more weeks" joke is not the only statement Amigans started to laugh at. I would also love to mention the infamous "on schedule and rocking" that the AROS team applied to their project as well, turning into "NO schedule and rocking".

Anyway, are we (Amiga community) gone so far into these silly camp wars, to even argue about the right to use certain jokes here and there? OMG, it's even sicker than I could hardly figure out.


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@paolone

today in good mood?

sorry everyone can use the phrases he or she wants... to make any conclusions how sick or not sick the community is sounds a little strange. BTW you mix one or two forum sites with the community. Most people I know here around do not care about all that at all including anything NG related

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I clearly remember using the "2 more weeks" joke around the late 90's, so it's older than the red-vs-blue war. I have no doubt though that this joke has been reused in other situations later as well.

But more important than that; are we now butthurt over a joke? Seriously?

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ?
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@Yasu

Of course we are friend.
What surprises me is that while the numbers dwindle the attitudes remain uniformly crappy.

And the thread has grown rather pointless as we know an update will take place only after support for the new hardware is finished.

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That doesnt mean I feel the urge to be negative about everything Aeon/Hyperion related.

I do (I bet you didn't notice), for a simple reason: Many of the issues with the X1000 have not been fixed yet - or even publicly been described as an issue. Plus they know very well what the situation of the development team is and how that will affect progress. Yet they're eager to sell the X5000, and apparently they're already sending Tabor boards to some 'betatesters'.

People buy those things, because they're allegedly "Amiga!!!!" and they want to support the cause. I'd rather have people buy things because they're worth their money and are properly supported by the manufacturer.

(Edit: typos)

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@cgutjahr

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Many of the issues with the X1000 have not been fixed yet


What issues?

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People buy those things, because they're allegedly "Amiga!!!!" and they want to support the cause. I'd rather have people buy things because their worth their money and are properly supported by the manufacturer.


Well Amiga is outdated; 8bit AGA, and 8bit Audio is old outdated technology… no one else using it in the industry.
I own an AmigaOne-X1000 because it runs AmigaOS4.1 and is fastest hardware for that OS.

I do not speak for everyone else, but I imagine, most people know what they are buying.

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@cgutjahr

i'm a X5K owner, and a tabor board owner. i didn't buy them because they're 'Amiga!!!!" i bought them because i enjoy using the platform as a hobby, and at least for me, those products are worth my money. so you can rest easy that, at least for one person, your requirements are met. i hope that eases your pain for our misfortune a little.

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What surprises me is that while the numbers dwindle the attitudes remain uniformly crappy.


Yes because Hyperion has given up on Amigaworld, and almost never comment here anymore, that was known even before this topic was started.
Here is quote from zzf10h

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PS : OS4 haters, please don't use this thread to bash OS4/Hyperion or to promote your own OS

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cgutjahr wrote:

.. Many of the issues with the X1000 have not been fixed yet - or even publically been described as an issue. ...


so your X1000 has issues please do tell what issues exactly

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@klx300r

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@klx300r

I guess you didn't believe the official answer given by Hyperion in this very thread :)

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I clearly remember using the "2 more weeks" joke around the late 90's, so it's older than the red-vs-blue war. I have no doubt though that this joke has been reused in other situations later as well.


Yeah, me too, so I Googled it. I don't know if this link will work, but:
Two More Weeks

From there:
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It's not QUITE sold...
by Dale L. Larso » Sat, 29 Mar 1997 04:00:00

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> that the term originated. The man who first identified the "two more
> weeks" phenomenon and popularized it was Dale Larson, and I believe he
was
> doing that during the Commodore bankruptcy.

I don't remember exactly when I started, but I know it was before I'd ever
heard of Escom.

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@cgutjahr

Are you beginning to make sense at old age?

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@klx300r

I guess you didn't believe the official answer given by Hyperion in this very thread :)


ah but you'd be staying on the thread topic and obviously that hasn't happened here in a while

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What issues?[

I could repeat the long list of broken promises (4.2? Multicore support?, Gallium?), the amount of money you had to pay for features that were meant to be included in the original deal, the parts that are still not working (front usb ports, I think? onboard ethernet...). But that wouldn't do this discussion any good.

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i'm a X5K owner, and a tabor board owner. i didn't buy them because they're 'Amiga!!!!" i bought them because i enjoy using the platform as a hobby, and at least for me, those products are worth my money.

I never said you were not happy (you just keep saying that about me, for some reason). I said your enthusiasm for the platform was exploited by people selling you sub-standard products. If you don't mind that: good for you.

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