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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 10:51:32
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Please, too... this thread is about FE updates. Too many threads derails because of the same guys. Thank you. _________________ http://apps.amistore.net/zTools |
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 10:55:54
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| Comparing to pc again if You buy it from a supermarket it's bundeld with a Win and can't be bought cheaper without it. There was IE at least.
Buying a few AOS:ses. There was the demo I-Browser included to download a new standard one.
Could not get Chrome,Firefox or Opera for free. Now having ads in this cp..
In the imagination world we could have a virus free OS with the dealed browser and the printer driver even if it was the one manufacter I wouldn't care.
The leader of AOS has probably contacted all the big manufacturers?
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 11:27:57
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do you really believe that? Compare the sale numbers and the numbers of real devices sold... 
Customers are Customers are the ones feeding you as a company... ignoring or annoying them never was a good idea
Sorry for being OT but nonsense has to be answered  Last edited by OlafS25 on 23-Jan-2016 at 11:29 AM.
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 12:17:59
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yea, since hyperion officialy don't support emulation and the tread wasn't about emulation.. _________________ nox's in the house! |
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 12:19:01
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| Folks, think more realistically. We all waiting for the release of AmigaOS 4.2 (X1000 owners even for 4 years). And that is not possible if Hyperion will continue to release updates for 4.1. Bug fixes, adding new features - it's continuous development. Or someone thinks that AmigaOS 4.2 will be a completely new system developed separately and independently from the AmigaOS 4.1?
So more patience and waiting _________________
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 13:02:37
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As I was personally asked to say something here:
The roadmap is, and always was since the release of Final Edition, that there will be a free update for all platforms some time after the release of X5000 in order to get all platforms back on a common level.
This is necessary, because the X5000 needs some updated components in any case, will of course ship with some important general bug fixes and might even need some bug fixes after its general release.
The same holds true for the A1222 release. Albeit, but do not take this as given/promise/announcement, it may be that A1222 follows X5000 closely enough to postpone the general update until after the A1222 release.
Publishing lots of updates to individual component via AmiUpdate has proven to complicate matters more than it aids. For that reason, it was decided to go back to a more traditional update strategy of releasing bigger updates (consisting of several individual components), which also raise the revision of version library, in irregular intervals (i.e., when it makes sense) and use the ability for single component updates only in emergency cases.
Hope that makes sense to everybody.
P.S: I'm not (anymore) reading aw.net regularly, so better don't bet on me answering any questions in short time.
_________________ Regards, Cyborg. AmigaOS4 development team member
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 13:05:04
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it may be that A1222 follows X5000 closely enough to postpone the general update until after the A1222 release. |
A1222 this year? That would be nice! |
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 13:21:51
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tlosm wrote: @cdimauro please dont wast our time with your no. sense posts... thankyou |
If you don't understand them, it's your problem.
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What's wrong with all that? |
This thread is about Hyperion and the lack of updates for OS4.1 Final Edition. The fact that uaegfx now works in WinUAE is great news but it's really off topic here. If you want to discuss emulation features, limitations or improvements, you're very welcome to start a new thread.
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I quote myself, from my comment (#15) in this thread:
"What Hyperion can do to complete the work, is make a big gift to its OS4 "classic" users: introduce the already existing patch to let Z3 RAM be added to the system memory, removing the 128MB memory."
That's compatible with the topic.
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As discussion about WinUAE features is clearly OT in this thread, you may start another (or continue via PM), if you are interested in current WinUAE/OS4 experience.
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See above: restricting the argument to the fastmem issue, it's fully in topic. 
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yea, since hyperion officialy don't support emulation and the tread wasn't about emulation.. |
Let me understand: they decided to sell OS4FE "classic", and ONLY this version, through Cloanto (which is a well known Amiga "HARDWARE" manufacturer) using a digital download platform (which is the recommended way for installing this o.s. using a physical optical drive, right?), because they wanted to greatly support the thousands, and thousands, and thousands of CyberPPC and BlizzardPPC users.
And I've to believe that they don't support emulation, right? 
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 13:58:04
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isn't it cloantos decision then? they give support to their emulation package and os4.1 classic via their software.. it is still not hyperion's official support area, that is cloantos Last edited by noXLar on 23-Jan-2016 at 01:59 PM.
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 14:30:28
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So the question is: how approximatively far is the release of X5000? |
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 14:48:26
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As a paying customer, I definitely like the Update 6 model much better, with AmiUpdate steadily humming with fixes. There were real benefits, and there was also the general feeling among users (not the nonusers who talk so much on forums) that progress was real. Now we have a situation with something like font.library being busted for more than a year, plus the general feeling that things are "stuck."
I understand that (a) some big things are "stuck" and (b) major focus is on getting the OS ready for X5000 so A-Eon can move some inventory. But, a few bug releases here and there on AmiUpdate are (a) not gonna cause you THAT much trouble, (b) will conrtibute to a general feeling that things are happening and (c) would solve some real issues, i.e., font.library.
I'd say it was just my two cents, but I have spent thousands. ;) _________________
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 14:54:29
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a crippled browser (Odyssey) |
It must be the OS4 implementation/port you are talking about here, because the Original Odyssey on MorphOS was always rock solid and a fine piece of S/W, stable and feature rich, in the best possible Amiga/MUI kind of way!
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 15:07:05
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| Odyssey port to AmigaOS has been getting some love lately, thanks to some cooperation happening over at Amigans.net and the good work by Deadwood in updating/fixing problems at the AROS end. Seven versions with "fixes" have been linked there, and now memory leaks are quashed and more sites that were problematic before now work perfectly.
FE offered real improvements over Update 6, so getting FE and also the newer RadeonHD drivers and Warp3D driver are well worth it. (Yeah, you have to add all those costs together to be "real.") I wouldn't hold back upgrading because Timberwolf stinks.
Because ... I don't feel that Odyssey is crippled. It's the best browser we have, and it is a multiplatform initiative with cooperation from all camps. That it was born on MorphOS is something MorphOS users should rightly be proud of. Am glad to see it getting worked on again, and appreciation to Deadwood for bringing it forward on AROS and to kas1e for porting some of those improvements to AOS and to all who have helped. _________________
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 15:12:00
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+1 _________________ AmigaOS 4.1 FEu2 on Sam440ep-flex 800MHz 1GB RAM  C128, A500+, A1200, A1200/40, AmigaForever 2008+09+16, 5 x86/x64 boxes Still waiting (or dreaming) for the Amiga revolution... m4rko.com/AMIGA |
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 15:13:08
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The mere fact a Frieden saw fit to port it suggests to me that it was in Hyperions interests in the first place aside from the monetary incentive. |
...and then when it boiled down to the essence, money incentive was all there was! They even changed the bounty terms after it launched to reduce responsibilities and demands, and as soon as some quick and dirty port was released (barely functioning, crashy, slow as hell, and with zero resemblance of any kind of Amiga S/W) the money was paid out in full, and development stopped. Had they at least honored the Open Source spirit by releasing the sources to the community, but not even that...

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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 15:15:41
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I understand that (a) some big things are "stuck" and (b) major focus is on getting the OS ready for X5000 so A-Eon can move some inventory. But, a few bug releases here and there on AmiUpdate are (a) not gonna cause you THAT much trouble, (b) will conrtibute to a general feeling that things are happening and (c) would solve some real issues |
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 15:31:18
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 15:36:21
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it may be that A1222 follows X5000 closely enough to postpone the general update until after the A1222 release. |
A1222 this year? That would be nice! |

X5000 this year is more realistic (maybe even this spring?), and then hope for the Tabor before 2018. Who knows, it might happen? Even though history track records say different, and the Tabor will be more challenging than anything before...
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 15:38:49
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Speaking of realism, some of the features promised for 4.2 are simply not possible without breaking "Amiga", so I suppose you are in for a long haul... |
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Well, if 4.2 will ever arrive, it will be something different, that's obvious. Just as "MorphOS NG" will be. That a 4.1 branch will continue to exist in paralell is highly doubtful. And there is something rather terminal about the "Final Edition" name, right? |
Impossible? Then, OS4.2 with multi-core support and same compatibility as 4.1 will be miracle and we will praise its developers as living saints!  |
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Re: Hyperion : why no OS4FE updates since 1 year ? Posted on 23-Jan-2016 18:24:16
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"it was decided to go back to a more traditional update strategy of releasing bigger updates (consisting of several individual components)"
Sad that you don't keep the Amiupdate way to deliver fixes to your customer but, nevertheless, thanks to took time to clarified and replied to my question. _________________ http://apps.amistore.net/zTools |
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