@NutsAboutAmiga

So Tabor was a wrong choice since developers wont support it...

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@Tuxedo

and I assume it will not be as cheap as some people hope

on the other hand when someone wants to buy OS4 hardware without buying a rare used X1000 or a new X5000 it seems there will be no other choice

@Tuxedo

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So Tabor was a wrong choice since developers wont support it...

Unfortunately not a sympathetic board, at least for me.

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@Tuxedo

You need the hardware to support it, can't optimize for some thing you don't have.
And because none of existing software is made for it, to be more precise. But it's up to people who buy the hardware to compile and optimize for it.

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it seems there will be no other choice

Sam460 has one PCIe slot.

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But it's up to people who buy the hardware to compile and optimize for it.

Users are requested to compile and optimize?
Only confusion.

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@Massi

Developers are people too.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

just is need an universal compiler who make the different executable in one time build.
It was done by apple when in the same app you have g4,g5 ad x86 executable (universal)

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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Developers are people too.

But not all people / users are necessarily developers!
And I guess very few here can compile and optimize as you wish.
It is a nonsense.

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@Massi

the bed think is:think the not fpu optimized p1020 will be really worst.
Im pretty sure will be better than a 440 and for oldest software is good.
if you think that old programs will take the advantage of faster ram and fastest pcie the old programs will be not unusable but more enjoyable than the slower ng
but we are speaking about old progs ... and with lost sources.

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@Massi

Try to remember that NutsAboutAmiga is not an official spokesperson for Hyperion or A-eon.
So his views on how thing will have to be done are his own ideas.
I have a Tabor board and have posted information about performance under Linux.
I am also not an official spokesperson for Hyperion or A-eon .

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Massi wrote: @NutsAboutAmiga Quote: Developers are people too. But not all people / users are necessarily developers! And I guess very few here can compile and optimize as you wish. It is a nonsense.

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and we know under linux everyday performace grow up

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@tlosm

No problem, as an OS4 developer and user I don' t see the benefits of Tabor to OS4, but I see only drawbacks.

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@Massi

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Tabor to OS4, but I see only drawbacks.

we will know only when it done....
i think Juilan with tabor see better performances in linux compared with 460.
Like me see better performances compared the G5 quad in some programs that using one core on cyrus in linux
Every new kernel release and new patch i sow an increment there

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@Massi

As I have pointed out the areas that present problems with FPU emulation under Linux
are video decoding and something in Firefox/Iceweasel .
The linux kernel uses a generic approach to handling FPU emulation as it has to handle multiple cpus.

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Massi wrote: @Spectre660 @tlosm No problem, as an OS4 developer and user I don' t see the benefits of Tabor to OS4, but I see only drawbacks.

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@Spectre660

What sort of classic might emulation speed could I get with the Tabor ?

I am interested in the hardware (if cheap enough) since I sold my SAM460 (something I do very much regret ).

To certain people in thread, Yes, I am aware that I can get better emulation performance on a cheap PC with WinUAE, but I would like to use AOS4.1 as my desktop environment.

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As I have pointed out the areas that present problems with FPU emulation under Linux are video decoding and something in Firefox/Iceweasel . The linux kernel uses a generic approach to handling FPU emulation as it has to handle multiple cpus.

You see the Tabor introduces issues (in Linux), where are the benefits?

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@Amiboy

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What sort of classic might emulation speed could I get with the Tabor ?

e500v2 1.2 GHz is faster than 460EX 1.1 GHz in integer depending applications. Anything content with 680x0 without FPU will work faster than on SAM460.

@Massi

Lets just say it would not be your responsibility if your software did not run on Tabor.
So not a problem for the regular developers only the OS developers.

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Massi wrote: @Spectre660 Quote: As I have pointed out the areas that present problems with FPU emulation under Linux are video decoding and something in Firefox/Iceweasel . The linux kernel uses a generic approach to handling FPU emulation as it has to handle multiple cpus. You see the Tabor introduces issues (in Linux), where are the benefits?

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@Spectre660

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Lets just say it would not be your responsibility if your software did not run on Tabor. So not a problem for the regular developers only the OS developers.

You didn' t reply to me.
Again which benefits the Tabor brings to OS4?

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