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pavlor 
Re: Tabor. Let's have a worhwhile discussion about it.
Posted on 28-Mar-2016 13:53:48
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@Massi

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Again which benefits the Tabor brings to OS4?


This fully depends on final price, which we dont know yet...

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Re: Tabor. Let's have a worhwhile discussion about it.
Posted on 28-Mar-2016 13:56:17
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@NutsAboutAmiga

Sam still in production?

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Re: Tabor. Let's have a worhwhile discussion about it.
Posted on 28-Mar-2016 13:58:04
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Sam still in production?


Production never ended (officially), but no new SAMs available now.

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Re: Tabor. Let's have a worhwhile discussion about it.
Posted on 28-Mar-2016 14:04:00
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Tabor is obviously designed as successor for Sam 460 because the processor used in Sam 460 is no longer in production if I read it correctly. We will see how price and performance will be when AOS 4.X really runs on it and applications/games can be tested and people can really buy it. I do not assume that this will be before next year.

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Posted on 28-Mar-2016 14:04:04
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@Massi

New hardware as opposed to no new hardware .

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Lets just say it would not be your responsibility if your software did not run on Tabor. So not a problem for the regular developers only the OS developers.


You didn' t reply to me.
Again which benefits the Tabor brings to OS4?

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Re: Tabor. Let's have a worhwhile discussion about it.
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@Spectre660

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New hardware as opposed to no new hardware .


New hardware that performs (FPU) worse than older

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Re: Tabor. Let's have a worhwhile discussion about it.
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@Massi

why must new always be better?

He wrote available buyable hardware versus no hardware except used hardware

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@Spectre660

That's not really an argument, the OS4 h/w "market" is already pretty saturated.

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Gee. Some on must have forgotten to tell A-Eon.

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That's not really an argument, the OS4 h/w "market" is already pretty saturated.

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BSzili 
Re: Tabor. Let's have a worhwhile discussion about it.
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@Spectre660
I'm glad we agree on something.

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Re: Tabor. Let's have a worhwhile discussion about it.
Posted on 28-Mar-2016 14:26:18
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@BSzili

Well, at least its upgrade path from Sam440 users, who like get Radeon HD card, if you have really old AmigaONE-SE / XE or Pegasus II, I'm not so sure, if you have the money the X5000 is the better buy.

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@Spectre660

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Lets just say it would not be your responsibility if your software did not run on Tabor.
So not a problem for the regular developers only the OS developers.



Surely emulation performance will be better on OS4 than one made by incompetent people for linux, because people working for Freescale know F all about said CPU.

/s

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Posted on 28-Mar-2016 14:31:48
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Unless you spend a year or five writing a JIT compiler, I don't think so.
Its just better to recompile programs, the programs that is CPU demanding are mostly ported over from Linux anyway, not saying that there might not be native AmigaOS programs that require CPU power too, but its the ported programs like Web, Media players, and 3D rendering that is most demanding, then there is games.

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Posted on 28-Mar-2016 14:32:38
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I guess you missed the /s on the end....

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Posted on 28-Mar-2016 14:34:34
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@Rose

is it like %s for string?

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Re: Tabor. Let's have a worhwhile discussion about it.
Posted on 28-Mar-2016 14:35:24
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@Rose

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Rose wrote:

Surely emulation performance will be better on OS4 than one made by incompetent people for linux, because people working for Freescale know F all about said CPU.

/s


It's even worse, the CPU is designed for embedded purpose, that's why Freescale don't care about FPU compatibility.

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Posted on 28-Mar-2016 14:36:36
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@NutsAboutAmiga

Nope.... Sarcasm

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Posted on 28-Mar-2016 14:37:52
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@Rose

LOL

If can just stop writing words, and only use @#!!, and /s, T, It B so NC.

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Posted on 28-Mar-2016 14:39:38
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@Rose

Linux kernel emulation is generic. a one solution fits all Powerpc cpus that require any or all FPU instructions to be emulated .Even the Sam460ex has some emulation under Linux .
Cyborg has stated that the first AmigaOS solution would be a basic trapping one and future ones would be based on a jit type solution .

It is possible under Linux to get the emulation stats .
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40994&forum=33&start=60&viewmode=flat&order=0#780342
even with all these emulated instructions the Tabor was performing faster under Linux than a Sam460ex under Linux .


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Lets just say it would not be your responsibility if your software did not run on Tabor.
So not a problem for the regular developers only the OS developers.



Surely emulation performance will be better on OS4 than one made by incompetent people for linux, because people working for Freescale know F all about said CPU.

/s

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Posted on 28-Mar-2016 14:49:18
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@Rose

Maybe you are right.
Is That is why Mac OS X is so much faster than MorphOS on the same hardware .

/S

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Nope.... Sarcasm

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