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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 31-Dec-2016 23:24:09
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I read again your config, I see you have "a3000mem_size=64", I have 0, but I think problem lies here:
You have: maprom=0xe00000
I have: maprom=0x0 uaeboard=full+indirect
Edit: Interesting: I tried your config with my FE and FEu1 installations and it works. Really weird. You use RDB hardfiles, right? Last edited by pavlor on 01-Jan-2017 at 12:01 AM.
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 0:41:06
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Nope, didnt work. Ill wait and see if a nre iso comes out and install clean again. It works with previous build, but as soon as I update it hangs. Last edited by Acill on 01-Jan-2017 at 01:39 AM.
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 4:15:07
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Allright! That's a good way to start the year :D
Now all we need is Tabor (X hardware is nice but a tad expensive...)
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 9:34:37
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| @zz10dh Quote:
yes, it's windows 8.1 and latest 64bits WinUAE 3.4.0 on a i7-4770k
Odyssey is smooth, maybe 4-5 seconds to load it.
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Good enough, on my old peg2 loading of odyssey are the same 4-5 seconds.
How fast from when you press "start" in winuae till usable desktop ? I have about 45 seconds on some old i5 and loading of odyssey take about 40 seconds on that config as well. Thinking of buying some modern notebook for making fast os4 emulator, just want to be sure it can be fast enough.. Can you say what exactly whole cpu model/family is, as well as how much of caches , etc ?
ps. as i see on your screenshot you have system and work partitions, are they 2 different hardfiles which are units 0 and 1 on cybppc.device ?
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 10:04:44
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Anyway, reading the release note it looks like this is not a H/W agnostic release at all (which I thought was the point), but still different releases for different H/W? Can you confirm this? |
Of course it's not hardware agnostic - OS4 is necessarily different at a low level for different hardware. |
Exactly like any other OS on the planet then!
For example, this single ISO image... http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-3.9.iso ...supports more than 80 systems, including "G2", G3, G4 and G5 computers, desktops, two different lines of laptops, etc.
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I don't remember ever seeing anything saying it was supposed to be hardware agnostic... What I do remember reading was that it was supposed to bring all 4.1FE editions up to the same level, since the X5000 had some newer components than the FE release. But I can see why that might be confusing. |
Yes I suppose I got confused by this, as I simply took for granted that they were working towards one single OS release instead of continuing maintaining several in parallel. But I suppose this is their way of achieving a MorphOS inspired licensing scheme but without using a key file - if you have 3 different computers, you pay for 3 different licenses since they are in practice different releases hardcoded for just one computer system.
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 10:25:26
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Niolator wrote: I just hope the update for X5000 isn't too far away as we obviously don't have a full version of update 1. After that they can hopefully concentrate on AmigaOS 4.2 fully.
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Reading the comments here and elsewhere, it seems there is an imminent need for a minor OS4.1 Final Edition Update 2 bugfix release before doing anything else.
Speaking of this, Hyperion's naming scheme has got completely out of control. It's like a riddle that gets more and more complex with every release. Better use version numbers instead, this release for example is de-facto OS4.1.9. An OS4.1 Final Edition update 2 (an upcoming small bugfix release) would be OS4.1.10. Then the next major, feature-introducing release will probably be OS4.1.11. And so on.
Regarding OS4.2, that will never happen in the shape it has been promised, since its key features simply aren't possible on Amiga without breaking everything that makes it Amiga. But this on the other hand, is perfectly doable. The MorphOS Team has set out to do it. But the changes would be so fundamental (with lost Amiga compatibility, requiring a completely new S/W base, etc) that a 5.0 version number would make more sense than a minor +x.1 version bump. |
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 10:51:02
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There are many configuration options for HDD setup, eg. I use:
DH0 (1 GB RDB hardfile on cybppc.device unit 0; AmigaOS4.1FE; SFS/00) CD (CD image file or host drive on cybppc.device unit 1) DH1 (128 GB RDB dynamic hardfile on cybppc.device unit 2; Work; SFS/00) DH2 (2 GB RDB hardfile on cybppc.device unit 3; used as share disk between OS3/4 configurations before introduction of host FS support; SFS/00) DHP (host file system) |
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 11:10:12
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thanks for the hint. At the end I had to remove from the startup-sequence all the ";BEGIN" ";END" because the system was always claiming BEGIN command does not exists. So for me the quickest solution was to remove all them. Then I had to remove USBrecyle from user startup and digiclock and limpidclock from the wbstartup list. I haven't yet investigate about which of those 3 was the guilty. But for the moment I'm fine.
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 11:45:38
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 11:52:05
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Core i5-2500K 3.3 GHz (it is nearly 6 years old computer of my brother).
WinUAE/OS4.1FEu1 starts in 28s Odyssey starts in 12s (now, I had different times too...)
Overall integer performance is comparable to G3 500 MHz. |
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 11:59:40
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Solved with a reboot, sorry. I forgot to post.
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 11:59:47
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 12:16:36
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| So it works now. I removed all wbstartup en user startup stuff and one by one put them back again. Now it works fine 😊
But what's new about this update ? Only bug fixes or are there some new features available ?
Thanks
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 12:17:44
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| @Pavlor Quote:
Core i5-2500K 3.3 GHz (it is nearly 6 years old computer of my brother).
WinUAE/OS4.1FEu1 starts in 28s Odyssey starts in 12s (now, I had different times too...)
Overall integer performance is comparable to G3 500 MHz.
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I reduce starting of odyssey from 40-45second on 13-15 seconds but moving it from FFS to SFS2. Probably loading speed of whole os will be same changed from 40 to about 25s if i wll make boot partion as SFS2 as well.
@zzd10h Yeah, thanks. Looks good. Through graphics redrawing speed not that good as on real HW , but i assume that because of lucking compositing support in uaegfx.
Loading of os through also take about 20seconds on your vids (so same as on old PCs, seems there no much differencese betwen cpu raw-power..) , but odyssey indeed starts for 5seconds. Its all SFS2 partitions everywhere ?
All i trying to understand now, is what kind of cpu we need (and how much caches), to have speedy as possible os4 emulation, i.e. 5-10 seconds os boot, and 1-2 seconds for odyssey starting :) _________________ Join us to improve dopus5! zerohero's mirror of os4/os3 crosscompiler suites |
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 12:19:42
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| @MetalHeart See post #18 in that thread for changelogs , but in brief: mostly bug fixes, and few new featurs (such as possibility to make Z3 ram be not as swap, but as regular fast mem, which please emulator users).
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 12:24:30
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 12:29:02
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seconds but moving it from FFS to SFS2. |
Well yes, FFS...
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but i assume that because of lucking compositing support in uaegfx. |
UAEGFX driver is 68k (=slower than native).
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All i trying to understand now, is what kind of cpu we need (and how much caches), to have speedy as possible os4 emulation |
Single core CPU speed is most important factor, but don´t expect miracles when using filedisks (maybe these are faster on SSD disks). |
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 14:38:55
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Thanks, but i mean not theory (read that before), but exactly what cpu are the best for today for os4 emulation. I think about 4790k which have cores on 4ghz and 8mb of l3. Should be ok imho.
As for uaegfx 68k which slower than native - not sure it is reasson of slower video, it is emulation after all. And i checked native picasso4 vs uaegfx, its about the same visually Last edited by kas1e on 01-Jan-2017 at 02:41 PM.
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 14:46:24
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Native? OS4 Picasso IV driver is 68k too (and even blacklisted for JIT in Compatibility settings).
If you mean slow video playback, there is no overlay/compositing to speed this up. My benchmarks with MPlayer show pure CPU decoding is faster than SAM460EX on my hardware (fast RAM really helps), GFX is the bottleneck there. |
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Re: Final Edition Update 1 is OUT Posted on 1-Jan-2017 16:02:03
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| Thanks Hyperion for the update! I've installed it without issues on my Pegasos II... just wondering... wasn't partition wizard supposed to be fixed with this update? It still doesn't recognize partitions... unless I'm missing something.
Cheers, D.
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