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BigD 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 4-Apr-2019 18:09:28
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Why would anyone bother upgrading AmigaOS 3.1 for profit when AmigaOS 3.9 is still available to buy and is perfectly servicable for 'retro' use?

https://www.vesalia.de/e_os39.htm

I honestly don't understand why this is considered a sales opportunity!

AmigaOS 4.x IS an upgrade but OS3.1.4 is a stepping stone to what? A clean codebase? Some bug fixes for some already diabolical print drivers when compared to TurboPrint?

IMHO Coffin/OS has made it irrelevant to the only feasible growth area i.e. Vampire purchasers! Buy a copy of AmigaOS 3.9 (so that you have legal license) and dowload Coffin/OS and the jobs a good 'un IMHO!

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 4-Apr-2019 18:33:22
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@cgutjahr

Quote:

cgutjahr wrote:
I doubt that 3.1.4 had much impact on Amiga Forever sales. It would have had massive impact on the sales of any future 3.x updates from Cloanto, of course - but we don't know if they were planning anything in that regard - and if they were, proving the impact might have been quite difficult.

Agreed, however, they've done plenty to warrant the version bump from 3.9 to 3.10/3.X

https://www.amigaforever.com/kb/15-107
https://www.amigaforever.com/kb/16-120
https://www.amigaforever.com/kb/16-125

Now that they own the whole kit and caboodle, perhaps they can/will work with more developers and/or AEON for further improvements...

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 4-Apr-2019 18:36:04
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@BigD

Well AmigaOS3.1.4 is about getting a updated cd filesystem, and lots of fixed to support long filenames in lots of modules, in theory AmigaOS3.1.4 should be more stable and less buggy then Kickstart 3.1 with H&P patches (AmigaOS3.9).

Diskdoctor update was probably not so necessary s most people use PFS or SFS anyway.

But I guess the biggest improvement is just having it in ROM, so you do need to reboot 5 times to install all patched before loading workbench.

My biggest complaint, about OS3.1.4 is that did not include large file support, as that might have been great to have common standard API for reading and writing files, and it be great for classic users to be able to back up now where large partitions on DVD's , but you can't write cd image files as be too large for file system to handle.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 4-Apr-2019 19:04:19
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@BigD

I think in WinUAE (or as it called by some AmigaForever) , the use of AmigaOS3.1.4 makes little sense as the emulator patched the filesystem to provide direct access to the host operating system. and so large disk support was there provided with WinUAE, but WinUAE is a useless product for real Amiga computers, and is not in public interest to depend on emulation that can't be used on real hardware.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 4-Apr-2019 21:18:19
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@pavlor

I ponder if Micro Soft could sue itself because after the release of Win Dows 10 the sales for Wind Owls 8 "illogically" fell..


This poor guy R. S. Martinez... I wonder if after a hard day work he goes home, fires up his Amiga and plays Metal Law. Or Outlaw when he feels depressed..

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 4-Apr-2019 21:33:25
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@NutsAboutAmiga

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But I guess the biggest improvement is just having it in ROM, so you do need to reboot 5 times to install all patched before loading workbench.


The only growth area for Classics is the Vampire, so I repeat;

Why is AmigaOS3.1.4 better than Coffin/OS on a Vampire?

I am not even going to attempt to install in an an old and secure AmigaOS 3.9 Classic 'Miggy setup so the only REAL use will be on a new Vampire V4 standalone and then I'll probably use Coffin/OS as will everyone else (because it's built for the Vampire)!

... so really AmigaOS 3.1.4 is a solution to no particular problem other than to give Thomas satisfaction cleaning up the codebase and giving Hyperion a financial lifeline IMHO!

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 4-Apr-2019 21:50:28
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@broadblues
"What? better lawyers or evidence? "

Both ?! I was thinking about evidence actually... :)

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 4-Apr-2019 23:40:24
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@thread

Maybe because in his examination of "irreparable harm" the Court did not distinguish between irreparable harm in the general business sense and irreparable harm as defined in a niche segment like the Amiga environment.



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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 4-Apr-2019 23:48:02
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@BigD

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AmigaOS 4.x IS an upgrade but OS3.1.4 is a stepping stone to what?


"Boing Ball Branch" vs. "Checkmark Branch".

Two completely different products, for completely different hardware, targeting different customers looking to fulfill different needs for different reasons.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 5-Apr-2019 8:35:45
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@TRIPOS

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"Checkmark Branch". Two completely different products, for completely different hardware, targeting different customers looking to fulfill different needs for different reasons.


So what is the 'Checkmark branch' for unless to appeal to new Vampire owners? Why anyone would want to upset the apple cart regarding their fully tweaked and stable OS 3.9 partitions by installing OS 3.1.4 just because the forced reboot on start up is a bit annoying is beyond me. Hence, I repeat again;

WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF AMIGAOS 3.1.4 OVER COFFIN/OS WHEN CHOOSING AN OS FOR THE VAMPIRE BOARDS?

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 5-Apr-2019 14:58:21
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@BigD

Wahat the hell is Coffin/OS. ?

Really, a collection of software ( pirate ?) is an OS ?


Back to threat.

Hyperion 2 - Cloanto 0

https://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2019-04-00008-EN.html

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 5-Apr-2019 15:46:33
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@ribdevil

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Wahat the hell is Coffin/OS. ?


It seems to be a Apollo Core implementation of OS3.9. As long as you own the OS3.9 CD-Rom I can't see how it's not legit. It is not entirely clear that OS3.1.4 is legit considering the ongoing court case with Cloanto. At least we know that owning and using OS3.9 is ok.

... ok may be OS3.1.4 is more legit than originally thought

https://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2019-04-00008-EN.html

Quote:
the court has denied the motion for preliminary injunction against the sale of AmigaOS 3.1.4


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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 5-Apr-2019 18:00:52
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@BigD

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It seems to be a Apollo Core implementation of OS3.9. As long as you own the OS3.9 CD-Rom I can't see how it's not legit.


If it contains OS files then it's not legit regardless of whether the end user owns those files by some other means.

Amikit, for example, does not contain any OS files and during installation it will prompt you for a legal source such as an Amiga Forever disc.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 5-Apr-2019 18:19:23
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@Rob

Fine, so can I take it that no one here is willing to compare the performance or features of the two OSes on the Vampire because they wouldn't want to admit to using a shady Coffin/OS product?

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 5-Apr-2019 19:37:57
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@Rob

Quote:

Amikit, for example, does not contain any OS files and during installation it will prompt you for a legal source such as an Amiga Forever disc.


Wouldn't the ROMs / ADFs from your own Amiga be a legal source?

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 5-Apr-2019 20:29:44
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@NutsAboutAmiga

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the biggest improvement is just having it in ROM, so you do need to reboot 5 times to install all patched before loading workbench.


You should only ever need to reboot once, or else you are doing something whackingly wrong!

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 6-Apr-2019 9:59:28
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@ribdevil

Quote:

Hyperion 2 - Cloanto 0

https://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2019-04-00008-EN.html


From your link:

"This decision does not affect the judgment of the principal proceedings: Was the sale of AmigaOS 3.1.4 lawful"

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 6-Apr-2019 12:59:13
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@thread

"Stipulated MOTION for Protective Order" - Hyperion Entertainment

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@thread

Court order denying motion to enjoin C-A Acquisition Corporation

Some interesting details on the timeline of the newish company and the Amiga assets.

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"media will go nuts if a company announces an Amiga smart phone with Android or an Amiga-PC with Windows10"

funny that was Bill & Fleecy's original plan, port the OS to phones


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