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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
Posted on 9-Aug-2018 18:16:49
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@number6 @Lou

In the now remaining case,Hyperion is the plaintiff and it seems (although I may not be sure) they are seeking damages and fees which could be awarded if Hyperion wins the case. Those damages and fees could cover the litigation legal expenses.

But now if Hyperion loses the case, then the other party maybe awarded compensatory damages and fees. In that situation Hyperion could incur legal costs.




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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@thread

For real entertainment, we can speculate whether Hyperion's sudden urge to get its papers in order is merely because Cloanto documented in at least one case that Hyperion wasn't allowed to conduct business as long as it was delisted (or whatever the right term is).

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
Posted on 9-Aug-2018 18:31:51
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@simplex

I don't believe that requires any "speculation"

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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Legal fees will be incurred win or lose on both sides. It becomes more of a matter of who is paying the bill and when.

With insurance claims, lawyers know in advance that it will take months. With this case, I doubt they are holding off on billing based on contingency since there is no set time frame for resolution.

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@Lou

When will all this legal crap end. Amiga needs a company that can clean all this legal crap up and move forward...

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
Posted on 9-Aug-2018 23:03:11
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@g01df1sh

What, yet another company? When did that ever work?

What is needed is just time. Maybe our grandchildren will one day be able to enjoy a free (libre) AmigaOS, though I doubt they will see the point. Our generation will for sure end our lives with nothing accomplished in this regard.

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@kolla

Dont give up hope. Im sure with the legal crap out the way good things will follow

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@g01df1sh

we need legal space force, like captain space to clean this thing up..

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@g01df1sh

I have given up hope. If nothing has happened so far, it will never happen.

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@g01df1sh

The legal crap will never be out of the way, that's the problem :)

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@Lou

Quote:

Lou wrote:
I doubt they are holding off on billing based on contingency since there is no set time frame for resolution.


That and the fact that the loosing side (maybe even the winning side too) will most likely cease to exist soon after.

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@Kronos

If Cloanto goes bankrupt, nothing will happen, WinUAE is open source its available. People will continue to work on it. Sure it be sad if can't buy collection of old software (Amiga Forever) as bundle anymore.

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@NutsAboutAmiga

If Hyperion is bankrupt not much will happen either

3.X was closed and stays closed officially

AmigaOS stays how it is (nothing new)

worst would it be propably for Tabor

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@OlafS25

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worst would it be propably for Tabor


That would be really bad news for me.


However, nobody posted important question: who are creditors of Hyperion? I wouldn´t be surprised, if at least part of the debt is owed to someone close to the company.

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@pavlor

the creditors are almost as secret as the number of sold licenses ;)

But I assume Amigakit/A-eon is a big creditor because they mentioned a number of times that they gave money in advance what qualifies for creditor

Example I guess could be prebuying of 4.2 for X1000 (what propably never becomes reality, at least not with the promised features)

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@pavlor

Quote:
who are creditors of Hyperion?


Quote:
Ben reacted quite strongly, that this would not be possible, because he was
owed "more than a million" (by Hyperion)


Dunno. Would you put that in the creditor category?

Source from other thread

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
Posted on 10-Aug-2018 16:04:53
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@number6

That is exactly what I had in mind.

Cloanto does next to nothing with OS3 for the last 15 years and then is surprised when Hyperion starts new development? That doesn´t show Cloanto in best light...

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@OlafS25

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If Hyperion is bankrupt not much will happen either

If Hyperion goes bankrupt there will be no security updates for AmigaOS 4.1.

Oh wait... what was I thinking?

@pavlor

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That would be really bad news for me.

Me too. A1222 may be the last chance to get an AmigaOne.

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
Posted on 10-Aug-2018 16:07:34
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@pavlor

fair enough.

But I didn't post that to start a trial by public opinion in the forums.

I posted that to respond merely to your question.

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
Posted on 10-Aug-2018 16:11:16
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@number6

Quote:
But I didn't post that to start a trial by public opinion in the forums.


Amiga forums work this way since... well, the usenet days. To be fair, nobody in charge of the Amiga companies is an angel without taint. Ego and messianism in deadly mix.

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