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wawa 
common odyssey upgrade effort and repository.
Posted on 28-Mar-2018 9:42:50
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as it might have become apparent im currently working on odyssey source to make it compile and work on several platfoms. currently im aiming at aros platforms, in particular abi v1 platforms including other platforms as to date most popular x86.

but i think that independently forking the program is counter productive. id prefer distributed common effort with os4, morphos and maybe genuine amiga coders (my personal preference is, as it should be known, m68k).

now, i would like to make sure there is an alive repository with history et all to be effectively able to work on the project. deadwood is busy otherwise and i see that several people have forked deadwoods repo.

my question is:

1. if anyone is actively working on it and would be willing to make his repo public.
2. the other possibility is to include odyssey in aros ports and maintain it there, im talking about it to matthias.
3. last and least preffered option is, that id need to set up a repo myself. but since im not even a coder im not familiar with it and with administrative tasks, so id prefer to avoid it.

any thoughts, guys?

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remotenemesis 
Re: common odyssey upgrade effort and repository.
Posted on 28-Mar-2018 14:31:44
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@wawa

Doing 1 or 2 using github or another source-code hosting service requires no server setup and very little administration. Given that Deadwood's repo is already in githib, making a fork should be trivial.

My suggestion: make an odyssey organization in github that can have subprojects and try to grow a community of interested developers by making this the one true source and not another personal fork.

There also might be better options than github in the hosted source code version control space but it is practically and industry standard right now (for better or worse).

I've been following your progress on the mailing list. Nice work!

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Re: common odyssey upgrade effort and repository.
Posted on 28-Mar-2018 16:03:14
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@wawa
The AROS code is at
https://github.com/deadwood-pl/OdysseyWebBrowser

The OS4 code is at
https://github.com/deadwood-pl/OdysseyWebBrowser/tree/kas1e_branch

My link to Fab's Morphos code no longer works and that code may now be
in a MorphOS repository.

It doesn't matter where the code is if nobody is working on it.

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wawa 
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Posted on 28-Mar-2018 16:43:26
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@Xenic

i know where the code is, i took it from there, right? ;)
and personally id prefer to live it there. but i dont want to bother Krzysztof, and he doenst really want to hand over administrative privileges to me, which is definitely for a reason, i can tell. perhaps kas1e would be the right person to take care of it if he wanted. maybe i need to mail or pm him.

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wawa 
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@remotenemesis

im a bit suspicious about github, as i dont really want to join another network. im not sure what conditions and small print are bound to it. but if i cant avoid it i will.

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Posted on 28-Mar-2018 19:10:59
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@wawa

GIT is great, because you fork repo's, work on different parts and merge in parts from different people, this way I use GIT, sadly GIT support and AmigaOS/MorphOS is really horrible, I guess when use AROS hosted, you just use Linux tools, they work, I use USB pen and WinGIT, it bit more annoying.

I have Mplayer on GIT, but it does help when people have their changes on here disk locally or when people just dump it on FTP server or HTTP server.

Anyway another issue is individual preferences also play a part here.

GIT forks often end up different versions of the same program but not always.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

git is one thing and git hub another. i use git, among others with odyssey even f im not very accustoed to it. there is aros port, but since as you guessed im usually crosscompiling on linux i use linux tools.

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@wawa

I have the same problem, I made some links to different forums, so if need correct some comments on commits I can look things up, or if need to revert to back few steps. In my case I don't need to worry about local copy as it on USB stick. But should be possible to just stash it and do whatever.

Anyway the other thing like about GIT is that git diff's for all commits so I see what I did, I some time see changes there was intended.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote:

sadly GIT support and [...] MorphOS is really horrible


Tried this?

https://morph.zone/modules/news/article_storyid_2376.html
https://github.com/widelec-BB/git-morphos/releases/tag/v2.16.2-morphos

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wawa 
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@NutsAboutAmiga

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Anyway the other thing like about GIT is that git diff's for all commits so I see what I did, I some time see changes there was intended.


dont see how its exclusive to git. personally i dont mind neither git nor svn, i just want to get stuff done. im just not sure about git hub as a service.

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btw i have now compiled an odyssey aros ppc version. i have solved one issue properly and there are currently two or three workarounds that need to be improved. but id like to see if it works.

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Posted on 28-Mar-2018 21:26:23
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Brilliant! Thank you Filip. :)

Does it work with https repos or fall over with certificate issues like the older port?


Answering myself here. No, it doens't work.

Not with github anyway unless my PB installation is borked somehow?

Cloning a github repo gives a "SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate" error same as the old port.

Any ideas guys?
1.67GHz 15" PowerBook G4, 1GB RAM, 128MB Radeon 9700M Pro, 64GB SSD, MorphOS 3.9

2.7GHz DP G5, 4GB RAM, 512MB Radeon X1950 Pro, OSX 10.5.8, 500GB SSHD, MorphOS 3.9


OK so this is not really working...

it bit like SGIT on AmigaOS4, it kind of work but not 100%, can't use tools like that.

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wawa 
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Posted on 30-Mar-2018 20:18:02
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i just wanted to notify the interested that i have set up a github account and forked deadwoods latest source. i am getting used to git and starting to commit my local changes. you can follow it here:

https://github.com/wawatok/OdysseyWebBrowser/commits/odyssey-r187682

because of my poor coding skills every form of participation and informed support is very welcome.

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kolla 
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Posted on 30-Mar-2018 22:11:21
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I hope developers also find out that there is "merge" functionality, so you can submit merge requests upstream, if there is such a thing as "upstream" here :)

I never grasped why Amiga software that goes open source, end up with umpteen unofficial forks spread all over, instead of having a common source tree. I like to think that is due to the programmers often being "coders" rather than "developers" :D

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Posted on 30-Mar-2018 22:41:14
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@wawa

Thanks for your efforts and good luck.


@thread

And suddenly it becomes clear......

Despite the hours/days/weeks/years people spend talking about "joining forces", or "co-operating" no-one really wants to.
This very thread, one that should be encouraged and supported received pretty much no responses, and thats on probably the most important piece of software for all of us.

So either amiga-oid people are way off the pulse of developers available, asking for things that arent possible, or our definition of "co-operating" really means, "I want all developers working on my platform of choice".

Given the insane, entitled attitude of many here, I suspect the latter.

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wawa 
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Posted on 30-Mar-2018 22:46:34
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@kolla

"upstream" here is deadwoods repository, who already attracted 9 forks before mine. ive talked to him about it, and considered joining his repos as contributor, but since he is "retired" i didnt want to bother him. also ive brought that in aros dev ml and in some private mails, before i decided that nothing will happen if i dont take action myself. krzysztof can always merge my changes in if he considers it worthy and aros can include the code in their repos as well. i simply wont force anybody do that. i want get working executables and freely accessible code.

once again: everybody is invited to cooperate.

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wawa 
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Thanks for your efforts and good luck.


thx, the task wouldnt be that difficult for a real programmer, it simply takes a lot of time building that monster and testing changes. time is what the people usually lack, and that s also the usual excuse not to do anything. because time spent in forums folds due to relativistic effect to zero while out there aeons pass.

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nikosidis 
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Posted on 30-Mar-2018 23:39:23
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@fishy_fis

So true.

Let's hope Wawa gets the help he needs. At least I can do testing and bug reporting as I did for Deadwood in the past before releases if it is of any interest.

Great initiative Wava.

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remotenemesis 
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Posted on 31-Mar-2018 2:50:59
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@wawa

Very cool!

Which branch are you committing your changes to? The odyssey branch looks like the main develop branch for the repo, with master being the plain copy of webkit?

What do you think the most pressing features are?

I've found the main function for the browser.

A couple of small nags I have that could turn into good features for learning exercises:
* is there a way to set my default page?
* can we add/remove search engines from the list of supported ones? I'd like to add duckduckgo and searx for example

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wawa 
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@remotenemesis

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Which branch are you committing your changes to?


the latest deadwood was working on: odyssey-r187682

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What do you think the most pressing features are?


dont expect me to actually code features.

i want to have the source build with aros tool chain for multitude of targets, not only i386, but also m68k, and btw ppc, which already compiles. in order to do that i have already icu-60.2 ported to aros.

depending on my skills, patience, interest of audience and so forth im fantasizing about to implement updated engine, js endian fixes, stuff like that..

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