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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 24-Dec-2019 11:28:54
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Looks like they chose the best time to update their DNS. _________________
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 24-Dec-2019 12:52:07
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Hilarious! Interesting X1000 cryptic reveal this isn't. A-EON issue a "Roll up, Roll up", Facebook call to buy a A1222 goodies box starting TODAY and then give a dormant link! Pass me a mug of mulled wine already! _________________ "Art challenges technology. Technology inspires the art." John Lasseter, Co-Founder of Pixar Animation Studios |
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 24-Dec-2019 23:09:46
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The A1222 is progress, and you can't go back? Bull crap.
My most satisfying NG system right now is an almost 15 year old PowerMac G5 Quad (although a single CPU/dual core would work about as well).
PCIe expansion, the superior memory bandwidth of an IBM PPC CPU (when compared to Freescale/NXP cpus) low price, etc.
You just have to run MorphOS. If Hyperion was out for OS4 sales numbers, they could have ported to Apple hardware years ago. Its obviously all about getting you to support this new hardware (that again, performs WORSE than hardware that is at least 1.5 decades old).
Progress is measured differently (at least in my mind) than it is in your view BigD.
A T1023 based board I could support. It would perform similarly to a Mac Mini, but with upgrable graphics. P1022? No thanks. For more reasons than just the SPE CPU.
If you're going to overspend, a P5020 (or P5040) based X5000 is a logical alternative (or should I point out that these perform worse than a Power9 based Raptor Blackboard - and the boards are similarly price).
Progress? That would include performance as well, wouldn't it? Tabor, the first 32 bit AmigaOne to be commissioned by Aeon, is a step back, not forward, NOT progress. |
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 25-Dec-2019 1:32:09
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 25-Dec-2019 2:18:50
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 25-Dec-2019 8:29:57
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There is only one advantage of P1022 over G5: thermal design power.
Other than that, this SoC is a garbage for desktop use. |
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 25-Dec-2019 9:23:41
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For the people who like to run OS4.X of MorphOS the Power9 raptor systems aint worth a penny ... 
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 25-Dec-2019 10:03:04
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And decent OpelGL with shaders. G5 with PCIe are hard to get and R500 is max. So from developer POV Amiga 1222 is still interesting.
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 25-Dec-2019 10:27:12
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 25-Dec-2019 11:30:05
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The Tabor is the only affordable and buyable (or at least some sort of) option if you want to use OS4
That your old Mac running MorphOS is faster and cheaper might be true but there are people that want to use OS4 (most of them propably replacing ageing hardware)
So even if the hardware choice is bad and the price relative high, there simply are no alternatives |
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 25-Dec-2019 13:28:03
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 25-Dec-2019 13:51:49
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The A1222 goodie box still isn't available! Hardly fair if ordering is opened at some random moment between Christmas and New Year's! Last edited by BigD on 25-Dec-2019 at 01:52 PM.
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 25-Dec-2019 14:08:45
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Hardly fair if ordering is opened at some random moment between Christmas and New Year's! |
So you will order?_________________ AmigaOne X5000/40, 2.2 Ghz, 4 GB RAM, Radeon R9 280X, M-Audio Revolution 5.1, 240 GB SSD |
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 25-Dec-2019 16:21:37
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Tabor, the first 32 bit AmigaOne to be commissioned by Aeon, is a step back, not forward, NOT progress. |
The Sam could be seen as a step back. Wasn't faster than an XE in clock speed. And lacked AltiVec. The X1000 gave us a decent enough 64-bit desktop class type CPU with AltiVec, but the slow firmware was a step back. The X5000 retains 64-bit but loses AltiVec again. Even if AltiVec isn't used much except for specific applications I tend to use it as a bench mark for a decent CPU. The "NG" Amigas don't have a clear upgrade path through the ages. If you can't produce hardware that can match computers from 15 years ago that isn't a PC then it's time to move on to some new hardware. Hardware that can match it and trump it. |
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 25-Dec-2019 17:37:52
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There is only one advantage of P1022 over G5: thermal design power.
Other than that, this SoC is a garbage for desktop use. |
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 25-Dec-2019 20:42:59
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And the only purchasable option for Morphos right now is the x5000, which is hardly affordable. _________________
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 25-Dec-2019 23:06:43
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Again, I'd point to Power 9 if we are talking about spending the i kind of money the X5000 commands. And that would support VMX, which is an enhanced AltiVec instruction set.
Then there is always Roberto Innocenti's T2080 based laptop design to consider. Acube has completed the schematics for that and the developers are now collecting to pay for the board layouts. |
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 26-Dec-2019 16:25:55
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When i check, A1222plus.com it is showing an empty page with a link to amigakit store. |
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A1222 Plus UPDATE:
As it's the holiday season our hardworking webmaster has taken a well earned break with his family. This will result in a short delay before the www.a1222plus.com website is live. But don't worry we will extend the deadline for Option 1 before opening up Option 2. |
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 26-Dec-2019 17:41:03
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LOL
from facebook: we have to order today on a website from the future? *scratches head Last edited by OlafS25 on 26-Dec-2019 at 05:46 PM.
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Re: Where be Tabor? Posted on 26-Dec-2019 21:27:21
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I understand that there was hardly any time to get things up and running on time. This is always the case with these brand new and just announced products like the A1222

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