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by number6 on 13-Jul-2019 17:57:56 @bison not news to you (2015), but perhaps to newcomers... Amiga OS 3.1 Source code leaked yesterday #6

The Amiga OS 3.1 source code was recently made public, which might be surprising for some who are not familiar with the event that happened in 2015 when it became known to certain groups outside of its original community.

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not news to you, but perhaps surprising for newcomers. The Amiga OS 3.1 source code leak is a significant event in the computing world. This particular release was pivotal as it represented one of the last major

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by number6 on 13-Jul-2019 17:16:40 @ne_one Or... Quote: "The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them." author - Pentti Kouri Janne about his dad ok, it's a line from Hemingway, but still... #6

The quote suggests that observing someone's behavior over time is the best way to gauge their trustworthiness. Janne reflects on this by sharing insights about his father, implying he believes in giving people a chance based on actions rather than initial judgments. The authorship of Hemingway adds weight since it comes from an acclaimed writer known for exploring themes like human nature and trust through literature.

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by Hammer on 19-Mar-2025 3:19:33 @matthey Quote: matthey wrote: @#6 fricopal = MEGA_RJ_MICAL = INFRA = Franko = Gunnar I wouldn't bundle Gunnar with the above. Gunnar's view on 68060 vs AC68080 is valid.

@Hammer, I see your point about separating out Gunnar’s perspective from the others; it does provide valuable insight into processor performance comparisons. Thanks for highlighting this!

So the 20th March has come and gone (at least here in Australia :))

Does anyone have any news on Ben Hermans legal appeal to weasel back in to Hyperion?

@dalek

He might be still trying, else "Amiga Operating System version four dot one Final Edition update Update number 3" would have probably been released already.

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So the 20th March has come and gone

You're supposed to be distracted by the RGL episode that -coincidentally- happens the same day.

Get with the program! (evil grin)

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I don't believe in coincidences either :)

I think it was RGL kicking the tyres to see what falls off.

Hermans still listed as Bankrupt
https://www.faillissementsdossier.be/en/bankruptcy/1794730/ben-hermans.aspx

Although here still lists proceedings as open:
https://kbopub.economie.fgov.be/kbopub/toonondernemingps.html?ondernemingsnummer=841336032

I guess the 20th March date comes from the original 19th March 2024 Bankruptcy date.. I guess an appeal needs to come within 1 year. Any (other) Belgian lawyers here?

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I believe the hearing mentioned for March 20, 2025 might well have been postponed. If so, I think the 1st of 2 documents we have from the court might explain why we don't get official word about such a postponement:

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That the procedure has been postponed several times and is now set for the hearing of 08.10.2024

Source: September, 2024


This would indicate to me that the Brussels Commercial Court doesn't bother with posting about events that do not take place.

In that case I would expect a new hearing date. If that date produces a result, they would likely just mention something similar about the current postponement in any document following the next hearing.

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This shit is still going on?

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Apologies. Only getting around to this a month late.

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It would be ironic if the Amiga parties hired Ben's victim Nele to fight back. Victims are often very motivated and determined to see justice.

I don't see where Nele Somers would need any additional motivation at all. If she were to take any action, she has an entire lawfirm at her disposal, likely all willing to work pro bono if need be.

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Noticed that Hyperion Entertainment C.V.B.A. still has not filed their accounts for 2022, 2023, and 2024.

National Bank of Belgium

Can you determine a due date from:

the court order

I also have no idea if they've complied with:

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To charge the costs of the underlying procedure as well as the costs and fees of the provisional administrator to BV HYPERION ENTERTAINMENT

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I don't see where Nele Somers would need any additional motivation at all. If she were to take any action, she has an entire lawfirm at her disposal, likely all willing to work pro bono if need be.

The lawfirm is new and not established so less work available and less income. Ben was likely supposed to help her but it did not work out. She likely has time available but charity does not pay the bills. The rate she charges and the amount of pro bono work she does to help victims of Ben may depend on how much of a victim of Ben she is.

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Noticed that Hyperion Entertainment C.V.B.A. still has not filed their accounts for 2022, 2023, and 2024. National Bank of Belgium Can you determine a due date from: the court order

The court order just extended and expanded the power of the provisional administrator of Hyperion Entertainment. It is a little over half a year old but is outdated now that Hyperion has a new director and the Ben Hermans BV shares of Hyperion Entertainment were likely nullified. It is odd that the Hyperion Entertainment shares "could constitute a relatively important asset to be realised by BV BEN HERMANS" and "That this is in the interest of the creditors of BV BEN HERMANS" before nullification and the creditors getting nothing. Less surprising is "That there is interest among the co-shareholders to purchase the aforementioned shares". The existing shareholders must be flush with cash to want to buy the nearly insolvent Hyperion shares or one of them has a lot of cash who is known for saving them before. The nullification of 96.43% of the Hyperion Entertainment stock is surprising and weird to me. Also interesting is the use of BV Hyperion Entertainment instead of CVBA Hyperion Entertainment.

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I also have no idea if they've complied with: Quote: To charge the costs of the underlying procedure as well as the costs and fees of the provisional administrator to BV HYPERION ENTERTAINMENT

The missing financial statements and payment for the provisional administrator seem to be less of a concern. Maybe the shareholders, likely Trevor, offering to buy the 96.43% of Hyperion shares from the Ben Hermans BV provided confidence that "the costs and fees of the provisional administrator" would be paid. I wonder how they came up with a value for the shares considering competitive bidding for them likely would have raised the value. The show continues but it amazes me that people still do not believe that there is a puppeteer behind the curtain pulling the strings.

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Also interesting is the use of BV Hyperion Entertainment instead of CVBA Hyperion Entertainment.

Quick facts for anyone confused:

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– private limited company (BV/SRL), – public limited company (NV/SA), – cooperatives with limited liability (CVBA/SCRL), – partnerships (CVBA/SCRL),

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After all this years I have lost track of what this company is and what it does.

Last thing they did was selling a new version of AOS3.x, a software they didn't even pay for.

A real change in management should result in bigger changes: f.e.: new licensing models for AOS3.x or AOS4.x for example.

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OneTimer1 wrote: Last thing they did was selling a new version of AOS3.x, a software they didn't even pay for.

So what if they didn't 'pay' for it? The important thing is they did it. In all the time that Cloanto had OS 3.1, what did they do with it?

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A real change in management should result in bigger changes: f.e.: new licensing models for AOS3.x or AOS4.x for example.

What's wrong with the current one?

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So what if they didn't 'pay' for it? The important thing is they did it. In all the time that Cloanto had OS 3.1, what did they do with it?

Cloanto had limited licensed rights until recently through Amiga Corporation purchasing more Amiga IP and licensing it to them. They developed AmigaOS 3.1 by fixing bugs and extending functionality for modern hardware but they were limited to emulation.

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What's wrong with the current one?

The Vamp/AC, A600GS, A1200NG, THEA1200, etc., do not use the Hyperion 68k AmigaOS. The Hyperion licensing model of coercing businesses into buying their 68k AmigaOS to pay for lawsuits while not paying developers has not worked well so far.

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Cloanto had limited licensed rights until recently through Amiga Corporation purchasing more Amiga IP and licensing it to them. They developed AmigaOS 3.1 by fixing bugs and extending functionality for modern hardware

Does the development go beyond anything that wasn't already available on Aminet?

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but they were limited to emulation.

Hence the phyical ROMs, disk sets and CF cards, which Cloanto says contain the same improvements as the ones you get as part of Amiga Forever.

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Does the development go beyond anything that wasn't already available on Aminet?

Cloanto developed for and contributed to the AmigaOS as early as 1993.

https://sites.google.com/site/amigadocuments/recent-history Quote:

At the end of December 2015, Austrian self-proclaimed "hacktivist" Mr. Bernhard R. Fischer gave a speech titled "The Ultimate Amiga 500 Talk" at the 32th Chaos Communication Congress in Hamburg, Germany. At about the same time as the speech, during which Mr. Bernhard R. Fischer cited his own past as a "cracker" and "spreader", the proprietary source code of Amiga OS 3.1 was leaked to that same event's file sharing network, and immediately became public. Analysis of this leaked source code revealed how Cloanto had contributed to the Amiga operating system as far back as 1993, leading to some speculation on whether it could use this status in relation to the complex legal proceedings between Hyperion Entertainment and the Amiga parties, and in the context of an open source scenario.

Here is a link to the AmigaOS source code mentioning the Cloanto contribution.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/134dciMD4bgxmNHlPakWJ8H3BtueuFQIP/edit

Hyperion claimed "exclusive" development rights to the AmigaOS even though Cloanto was already an AmigaOS developer with a preexisting license that was grandfathered into the 2009 Settlement agreement between Amiga Inc and Hyperion. Hyperion acts like their license to develop the AmigaOS is exclusive and unlimited as if they owned it but it is not and they are challenging ownership. The development grant in 1(b) is limited to starting with AmigaOS 3.1 (AmigaOS in the 2009 settlement agreement) and they do not have the right to use the "AmigaOS" trademark or Boing Ball logo for an original Commodore AmigaOS 3.1. They do not have the right to use "Amiga" except "AmigaOne", "AmigaDOS", "Workbench" or "Kickstart" trademarks at all.




Even AmigaOS 4 continues to use "Workbench". AmigaKit is careful to use "AmiBench" instead of "Workbench" even though "AmigaKit", "AmigaStore" and "Amiga Technologies" may be trademark violations of "Amiga". Cloanto and Amiga Corporation own most of the Amiga IP but Amiga IP squatters need to be squashed before they can do more. They are not the road blocks at least and tried to remove road blocks with negotiating a "free" release of the new 68k AmigaOS. Hyperion claims they are not blocking new hardware but which Amiga IP squatter is responsible for road blocks and tolls for new Amiga hardware?

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/33-year-old-amigaos-for-commodore-computers-gets-an-unexpected-update Quote:

‘New’ Amiga hardware Retrogames previously talked of a “new full size Amiga console launched� in Q4 2024. That time has come and gone, and we have seen murmurings about disputes regarding the software/OS side of the package. Hyperion’s new management (December 2024) denies it has anything to do with this delay, insisting that Retrogames hasn’t reached out to them yet, but it is “happy to start discussions.�

Amiga IP squatters and highway robbers demand a toll and are holding their thefts as ransom!

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re: Overdue filings of the Hyperion Entertainment financials

There seem to be 2 postings from Amiga Documents that "might" speak to that topic:

part 1

part 2

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Added a quick check of Belgian law:

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In Belgian law, failing to file annual accounts or consolidate annual accounts on time can lead to several consequences, including fines, potential director liability, and even involuntary winding-up. The National Bank of Belgium (NBB) can impose surcharges for late filing, and the damage suffered by third parties is presumed to result from this failure unless proven otherwise. Directors may also be held liable for damages resulting from the infringement of the articles of association and the Companies Code. Involuntary winding-up of a company can be ordered by the court at the request of any interested party or the public prosecutor if the company fails to file its annual accounts.

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