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geen_naam 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 7-Jun-2021 9:34:53
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@BigD

So what if they decided to wait and see what's happening with the lawsuit?

There's no X5K on sale at amigakit. The other ones at different shops have a licened version of AOS4 already. And the A1222 could be months away due to component shortage (lead times of 52 weeks are not uncommon atm).

How much is there of a difference between the classic version and the X5000 specific version? The Final Upd2 came in one flavour afterall.

In the mean time, if they have some X5k left, they can bundle the classic version with their own kernel and X5k specific drivers? Only to customers who specifically ask for a X5K, not to draw any unwanted attention?

Just a tought.

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BigD 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
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So what...


Because it further erodes market confidence and makes investment in AmigaOS NG seem foolhardy when the license holders are in such a volatile situation! That’s why!

I also love the way the A1222 Plus delay is now considered a good thing to allow the court case to be finished before release!

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kamelito 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 7-Jun-2021 12:13:58
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They probably don’t wanna help Hyperion buy given them money for their licenses so they can die, maybe, but Hyperion is probably making a lot more with 3.1.4 and 3.2.

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amigang 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 7-Jun-2021 12:22:23
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@number6

Well i still have a license for AmigaOS4.2 when ever it arrives according to my X1000 docs, I wonder if I could trade it for a T-shirt.

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BigD 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 7-Jun-2021 12:35:15
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@kamelito

And that's a big gamble if Hyperion survives!

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geen_naam 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 7-Jun-2021 13:38:19
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@BigD

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I also love the way the A1222 Plus delay is now considered a good thing to allow the court case to be finished before release!

That's you own interpretation of my words.

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Because it further erodes market confidence and makes investment in AmigaOS NG seem foolhardy when the license holders are in such a volatile situation! That’s why!

We know that the OEM contract apparently ended. But do we know at all what this actually means for the X5000 and A1222? What OEM business did that contract cover anyways? Maybe Mincea could comment on that.

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cgutjahr 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 7-Jun-2021 14:55:31
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@geen_naam

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What OEM business did that contract cover anyways? Maybe Mincea could comment on that.

Costel is replying to another poster: somebody stating there are disagreements regarding the OS4 license. The context makes it crystal clear Costel's "OEM contract" is referring to the OS4 license. We don't know what (if anything) else that contract covers, but we do know it covers OS4.

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So what if they decided to wait and see what's happening with the lawsuit?

They didn't, unless all the behind-the-scenes mumbling is completely off. Both sides seem to be posturing a lot ("would never do business with *that* guy again"), which might just be an attempt at getting a better deal - but it's been six months now. And Matthew is now publicly announcing he will not rely on "other entities' code".

But given the last 20 years of happy endings and always achieving the best possible outcome, I completely understand that people are inclined to be optimistic about this. So let's hope for the best - after all, they can't be that dumb, right?

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geen_naam 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 7-Jun-2021 15:30:30
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@cgutjahr

Like you already pointed out on os4welt, Costel is gone since september 2019. We're now in June 2021. He admits that he doesn't know what happened in between. But draws a conclusion based on the availability of the X5K.

Costel also said that Acube has a different model. One where os4 is for sale seperately at the local reseller.

So do we know if an OEM contract is needed anyways?
The OEM contract might be about os4. But what part exactly? Minimum amount of licences in exchange for a minimum amount of OS4 updates?

Just ask Costel about it on os4welt. I'm curious about his answer.

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cgutjahr 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
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@geen_naam

I forwarded your question, but I'm not sure what you're expecting. I doubt he's going to list details from the contract, and we know A-EON can no longer distribute AmigaOS 4.

If you don't want to take my word for it, just ask anybody behind the scenes. They would never say anything in public, but private conversations are a different matter.

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geen_naam 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 7-Jun-2021 16:52:58
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@cgutjahr

I'm just a mortal. I don't know anyone from behind the scenes

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MEGA_RJ_MICAL 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 7-Jun-2021 17:07:12
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number6 wrote:
@thread

A-EON allegedly no longer has an AmigaOS 4 license.

english version


OH NO!!!

A non-existing company denies a spaghetti-code OS built on some other OS they stole, to another company making underpowered hardware based on a dead-end architecture!

HIGHLY HYPHENATED TRAGEDY UPON US!

/MEGA

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cgutjahr 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
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@geen_naam

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I'm just a mortal. I don't know anyone from behind the scenes

Yeah sure - a driver developer who's not desperately asking around behind the scenes for basic information he needs to do his job. That sounds totally convincing

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geen_naam 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 7-Jun-2021 17:50:46
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@cgutjahr

I'm not sure what you think of me but one driver doesn't make me a driver developer.
I'm not desperate either. So if nobody is allowed to give me the info without NDA then so be it.
I'm good at the moment anyways. Temperatures in the double digits. Sun. Nearly holidays.

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kamelito 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 7-Jun-2021 18:27:47
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AEON and Amigakit should work with the MOS Team to deliver an AmigaOS 4.1 clone (binary and source compatible) based on ExecSG, and their gfx drivers etc and forget about Hyperion but I suppose they just hope for Cloanto to win.

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@kamelito

Yes friend Kamelito,

and it will sell a lot in Israelstine.

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matthey 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 7-Jun-2021 21:21:27
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kamelito Quote:

AEON and Amigakit should work with the MOS Team to deliver an AmigaOS 4.1 clone (binary and source compatible) based on ExecSG, and their gfx drivers etc and forget about Hyperion but I suppose they just hope for Cloanto to win.


A-Eon/AmigaKit could license MorphOS PPC for PPC hardware as the default install if losing Amiga branding. I don't see a compelling reason to use ExecSG on PPC as it would likely break compatibility with all AmigaOS and MorphOS PPC software. MorphOS is likely more focused on x86-64 support where they may have more advanced and tested SMP support already although it breaks compatibility like AROS x86-64 with SMP. PPC is dead end not only because of lack of competitive hardware but also because of lack of SMP support in AmigaOS 4 and MorphOS.

A-Eon/AmigaKit could "work with" Amiga Corporation to put parts of AmigaOS 3.1, the Enhancer Software and ExecSG together as a new AmigaOS release. There would be a lot of work to bring compatibility with AmigaOS 4 PPC but not as much for an AmigaOS 68k release. It would be preferable if Hyperion AmigaOS IP could be obtained and developers were on board.

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amigadave 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 8-Jun-2021 6:38:53
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@thread,

My prediction is that Ben Hermans/Hyperion Entertainment will become even more of a "poison pill" for the Amiga community, win or lose in the current court case. I believe he will eventually withhold any IP he has control over, just to spite the Amiga community, because he didn't make any profit from the IP, and won't make any profit from it in the future. Once he realizes that, unless he wins the court case and gains control over the Amiga 68k assets and can make at least a meager amount of income from it in the future, I believe he will act like a spoiled child, and try to screw the community before he leaves it. Of course this is just my own prejudice opinion, based on my own total lack of respect for the man. That opinion is based on everything I have read and heard about Ben over the past 20+ years.

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amigadave 
Re: Goodbye Amigaone
Posted on 8-Jun-2021 7:06:11
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@thread,

Since only beta versions of AmigaOS4 for the Tabor/A1222 were sent out to the beta test team members, I wonder if A-Eon were required to pay a license fee for those beta OS4 releases sent out? It would not make sense to me to be required to pay a license fee for a beta version of an unfinished OS, when I would think the beta testers "should" be working for Hyperion Entertainment, to facilitate the completion of the port of OS4 to the Tabor/A1222 hardware. In our backward community though, I will not be surprised if I find out that the beta testers are working for A-Eon, not Hyperion, and that Hyperion is requiring some kind of payment for unfinished work.

I guess that has nothing to do with the license contract expiring, since even if zero license fees have been collected for the Tabor/A1222, the agreed upon license fee agreement would still expire, and need to be renegotiated, where Hyperion could ask for the same amount, more, or less, for each license. It is interesting that A-Eon is reported to have shown zero interest in speaking with Hyperion regarding the expiring contracts, but perhaps A-Eon is so frustrated with Hyperion's inability to complete the port of AmigaOS4 to the Tabor/A1222, that they feel it is useless to discuss a license agreement extension, until Hyperion can demonstrate that they have the ability to complete the port. That does not explain the contract for the X5000, but perhaps A-Eon has gotten smart, and is using their heads to pressure Hyperion to complete the port for the Tabor, by threatening to switch to using MorphOS for PPC as their primary OS, unless Hyperion can finally finish the port for the Tabor/A1222. I'm sure that is not what AmigaOS4 users would want to hear, but I'm also sure that the MorphOS Dev. Team could, if motivated with payment for services, complete a port of MorphOS to the Tabor/A1222, AND provide at least basic graphics drivers for MorphOS, that support a few of the newer video cards that are currently supported by AmigaOS4's Enhancer Pack. Currently, the MorphOS Dev. Team has no real incentive to do any work on better support for X5000 systems, and has zero incentive, or intention to ever support the Tabor/A1222.

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matthey 
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Posted on 8-Jun-2021 8:59:05
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@amigadave
Cloanto/Amiga Corporation could also make a deal with the MorphOS team to re-badge MorphOS as AmigaOS if the Amiga parties win a summary judgement. This would allow the morphed AmigaOS to be available on more modern hardware with more modern features faster and make Hyperion's old AmigaOS 4 upgrades practically worthless (if Ben tries to withhold AmigaOS 4). A-Eon/AmigaKit may not be too happy with this move though as AmigaOS x86-64 with SMP could be out before the Tabor is released. Hyperion, A-Eon and AmigaKit seem content to wait and see the outcome of the lawsuit which could destroy their businesses.

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clebin 
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Posted on 8-Jun-2021 11:36:35
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@matthey

I doubt the MorphOS devs would want to get into that quagmire, and I don't know if Cloanto would be that interested in the moribund PPC market.

Far from "destroy their businesses", the end of OS4 would be doing AmigaKit a favour in my opinion. Given the posts about service I've read recently and my own experience - and with the greatest respect to them - I think they're spreading themselves too thinly and would be better focusing on their core business. Is OS4 hardware a sustainable business or a hobby project for the people involved? I've always imagined it's the latter.

Of interest to me is what happened if a liquidator takes over control of Hyperion and starts selling off assets. What source code do they actually own that could be sold off, either to Cloanto or to community crowdfunding? OS 3.2 is a lovely piece of work, but what is the status of that code if Hyperion went under?

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