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Rob 
Re: AmiWest 2019 - October 23-27, 2019
Posted on 1-Aug-2019 19:00:42
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@TRIPOS

Have you read an NDA made by Hyperion?

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hth313 
Re: AmiWest 2019 - October 23-27, 2019
Posted on 2-Aug-2019 4:47:35
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@amigadave

Is not that normal if you work on a code base that is owned by someone else? You do not keep ownership of what you do. You are compensated (hired) and your work becomes owned by the employer. You are also not allowed to speak about or do things in competition to your employer.

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AmeegaGuy 
Re: AmiWest 2019 - October 23-27, 2019
Posted on 2-Aug-2019 15:24:04
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@hth313

Yes an NDA is a normal part of protecting IP. What is outlined in an NDA can vary. As amigadave mentioned the Hyperion NDAs do not appear to be normal.Some believe they are contracts presented as NDA but in fact are some other contract designed to transfer ownership of developer property to Hyperion.

https://twitter.com/amigadocuments/status/1071237797825130496

The rabbit hole of amigadocuments is deep but if you dive in many of your questions may be answered without beating them to death in an off-topic discussion.

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hth313 
Re: AmiWest 2019 - October 23-27, 2019
Posted on 3-Aug-2019 2:38:42
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@AmeegaGuy

Yes, the normal thing is to use a contract when hiring developers to work on the code, that is not an NDA. The usual thing is that the ownership of the work goes to the employer. I find it strange to think that you can work on a code base you do not own and expect that you keep ownership of your work. That is not how things work and the contract will control that.

An NDA is for other parties to control what they can do with IP you share with them.

If Hyperion call their contracts "NDA", then they are doing something very strange. On the other hand, if you work on code you do not own, do not expect that you own your work. People should read what they sign, it cannot be that hard to spot this in advance?

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TRIPOS 
Re: AmiWest 2019 - October 23-27, 2019
Posted on 3-Aug-2019 9:38:07
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@hth313

Everything that AmeegaGuy said, plus the developers are not employed, hired and not compensated. That is obvious if you look at their fiscal reports (and listen to developer testimonies). You are talking about "normal situation", but "normal" does not apply when it comes to Hyperion. Why do you think OS4 development stalled?The developers definitely own most of the work. Hyperion is merely a publisher that doesn't own much themselves. They use sneaky and outright fraudulent business practices, they have no ethics whatsoever. They appear to have bought (as in actually paid for) Reaction. On the other hand they missed out on ExecSG. And lots of other things.

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Eric_S 
Re: AmiWest 2019 - October 23-27, 2019
Posted on 3-Aug-2019 19:43:18
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Information on hotel reservations and rates: http://www.amiwest.net/amiwest2019blog/ #6


Nice. :)

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sibbi 
Re: AmiWest 2019 - October 23-27, 2019
Posted on 3-Aug-2019 22:25:15
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@Eric_S

Nice to see you, to see you, nice

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Minuous 
Re: AmiWest 2019 - October 23-27, 2019
Posted on 4-Aug-2019 0:41:53
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I see the standard of discussion here hasn't improved. Anyway it is time to put this silly conspiracy theory and uninformed rumours spread by lamers to rest.

I have read and signed the NDA in question, and others in the past. It is pretty standard stuff, not significantly different from other NDAs. There have not been any complaints from my fellow co-developers (or anyone else AFAICT) that Hyperion has stolen their work or anything like that. So this conspiracy theory is entirely baseless.

Last edited by Minuous on 04-Aug-2019 at 12:51 AM.

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Eric_S 
Re: AmiWest 2019 - October 23-27, 2019
Posted on 4-Aug-2019 16:29:50
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@sibbi

Same, as always. :)

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TRIPOS 
Re: AmiWest 2019 - October 23-27, 2019
Posted on 9-Aug-2019 11:27:50
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@Minuous

Quote:

Minuous wrote:
I see the standard of discussion here hasn't improved. Anyway it is time to put this silly conspiracy theory and uninformed rumours spread by lamers to rest.

I have read and signed the NDA in question, and others in the past. It is pretty standard stuff, not significantly different from other NDAs. There have not been any complaints from my fellow co-developers (or anyone else AFAICT) that Hyperion has stolen their work or anything like that. So this conspiracy theory is entirely baseless.


So for the record (since your claim here goes totally against some other testimonies), you claim to have personal insight in the situation of all the developers that have had a relation to Hyperion (and enough detailed knowledge of all their respective contracts and agreements), and you have been granted by them the role to speak up on behalf of them all collectively to say what you just did, to debunk this as a "conspiracy theory" that is "entirely baseless"? Or did you extrapolate your own (positive, it seems) experience of Hyperion and the NDA that YOU read and signed, and now project that upon everyone else (unasked) without really knowing the situation of all individuals that might have had a different experience than you?

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Rob 
Re: AmiWest 2019 - October 23-27, 2019
Posted on 9-Aug-2019 18:00:44
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@TRIPOS

I haven't seen the testimonies you say contradict what Minuous posted but in your previous post you acknowledge that contributors to OS4 have retained ownership of their own code.

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Hypex 
Re: AmiWest 2019 - October 23-27, 2019
Posted on 17-Aug-2019 17:33:47
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@NutsAboutAmiga

Quote:
"Exec SG" is recreation of Exec.library, it also holds "Petunia JIT" binary transpiler (Álmos Rajnai).


Unless something has changed this isn't right. Exec SG only holds a static 68K emulator as standard. Petunia is a seperate Kickstart module.

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