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kolla 
Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 15-Oct-2019 13:55:34
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@Cool_amigaN

Thank you, that is impression as well - very few care about the operating system, all “most users” want are glorified whdload frontends and all the games one can fit onto a relevant media. The modern 68k system is essentially a gaming console, only very few of us die hards use them for productivity and “theraputic tinkering”, new features of OS 3.1.4/3.2 fly way over most people’s heads. The selling point of 3.1.4 has been “support for large hard drives”, everything else goes as “under the hood technobabble for CLI nerds”.

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
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@OlafS25

http://mos.aminet.net/

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 15-Oct-2019 13:59:53
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@Cool_amigaN

This is what 95% bought their Amiga for, Games!

There was a time where AmigaOS could be seen also as a serious platform but that time is long gone.

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@kolla

yes?

most is not only MOS

nothing spectacular in the list

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
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@nikosidis

even at that time only few used amigas for serious work

First serious hardware was expensive, second the software was expensive too

and most users were young with not much money

for serious work (except perhaps desktop video) even at that time PCs or Macs were used

gaming was what most users were interested in

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Posted on 15-Oct-2019 15:05:13
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@Cool_amigaN

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Classic Amiga are not just retro, they are retro-gaming scene in essence.

This is a good observation! That's what I use Amiga for, almost exclusively.

A good web browser is probably the next thing a lot of people want, but that's problematic and has been discussed over and over on many occasions.

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Posted on 15-Oct-2019 15:12:48
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Seams like we agree then. Amiga OS is only usefull when you don't notice it :D

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
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@nikosidis

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This is what 95% bought their Amiga for, Games!

There was a time where AmigaOS could be seen also as a serious platform but that time is long gone.


Any decade now True Amigans will get it that people don't buy computers for running OS but programs on it.

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@Rose

Software are for sure nr. 1. No software no point having a OS.

What OS other than AmigaOS can you boot from a CD or Floppy and play the game and at the same time have a HDD where you can play Music install games etc. etc.

This is much like modern game console way. Playstation did this from PS3. Only 100 years after Amiga :P

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@nikosidis

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Seams like we agree then.

A rare occurrence.

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@OlafS25

It’s just as spectacular as http://m68k.aminet.net

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Posted on 16-Oct-2019 3:52:05
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and most users were young with not much money

That was me. The money I did make though, I made with an A1200 and Blizzard 1230 III. Animation and graphics, DPaint IV and SCALA. Not to mention that at the time (early to late 90s), it was a great machine for being a sysadmin apprentice, with great connectivity software, terminal emulators, and native Linux and NetBSD for 68k emerging.

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for serious work (except perhaps desktop video) even at that time PCs or Macs were used

There wasn’t anything PCs and Macs could do, that one couldn’t also do on Amiga, either natively or via emulation or bridge boards if one really needed to. It was only with Win95, OS/2 Warp and PowerPC Macs that this changed, and even then only when PCs and Macs outpaced the Amiga in sheer CPU power and perhaps most importantly - amount of RAM one could fit into the systems, for reasonable prices.

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Posted on 16-Oct-2019 3:57:26
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What OS other than AmigaOS can you boot from a CD or Floppy and play the game and at the same time have a HDD where you can play Music install games etc. etc.


Any computer can do this, and did this, it was the norm for the longest time on even for macs and PCs.

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Posted on 16-Oct-2019 8:06:07
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I've finally understood the meaning of this motto:

"Amigans: demotivating people since 1985"



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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 16-Oct-2019 8:18:50
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@kolla

I never seen a game boot from CD, DVD, floppy on a Windows or MAC mashine. I understand that it could be possible but it is not the point.
If a floppy is inserted in Amiga it will boot from that medium.
On Windows you might have to configure BIOS.
What was special is that a few Amiga system files are in the boot medium so everything else is in the rom. Not need for OS installed at all. It is not allowed for Win, Mac games right?

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Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 16-Oct-2019 9:08:05
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@nikosidis

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I never seen a game boot from CD, DVD, floppy on a Windows or MAC mashine. I understand that it could be possible but it is not the point.
If a floppy is inserted in Amiga it will boot from that medium.
On Windows you might have to configure BIOS.
What was special is that a few Amiga system files are in the boot medium so everything else is in the rom. Not need for OS installed at all. It is not allowed for Win, Mac games right?


Format a: /s
Now you have a bootable floppy.

Reason why there wasn't bootable game discs on PC is that wasn't necessary since pretty much every PC had a hard drive. Bootable games on Amiga weren't done due Cool factor, it was a necessity.

And no, you didn't have to configure bios. Floppy drive was default 1st boot device on every machine until they finally decided that FDD's are not needed.

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Posted on 16-Oct-2019 9:31:28
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The effect of cold booting games and thus bypassing the OS still haunts us, hence today 68k being a prime retro-gaming platform. If games were forced to be loaded after the OS, then people back then would be much more affiliated with wb.

I agree that a very small portion of the users did mess/tinker and actually used as complete computer systems their amigas and that translates today in NG/alternative OS camps btw. The fact that these NG users (us) have very strong opinions on their current preferences, is because these were actually formed (even unconsciously) more than 20 years ago. For example I couldn't stand ReAction compared to MUI and always considered upper toolbar as waste of space since it was merely informative rather than interactive (future sbar modules). Just imagine how much I liked MorphOS, right from its splash screen, just from these small details. OTOH I have met and discussed with people that are heavy into ReAction (OS4 crowd), which of course I can fully understand.

Another example of software displayed on A34 was Libre Office on OS4. It's been years since it was announced, perhaps it might never materialize but nevertheless it's the most advanced Office Suite on the whole Amiga ecosystem and it was there for a test drive. Well, it attracted far less people than the Rygar port on the other corner of the show. If people were pushing and asking Hyperion for a release day I am pretty sure that we would have seen more movement in that direction. Now, it's just a couple of users asking once per year on forums about it, whereas developing a polished port of 30 yrs old arcade game, gathers much more interest and praise from the remaining active audience.

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Posted on 16-Oct-2019 9:35:15
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@Cool_amigaN

only few people have the interest to use something amiganoid as main system

and former amiga user mostly know amiga as gaming machine

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nikosidis 
Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 16-Oct-2019 11:09:41
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@Cool_amigaN

Who would use Office for AmigaOS. No memory protection, crash bang docs lost ;)

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nikosidis 
Re: Get ready for 64-bit Amigas!
Posted on 16-Oct-2019 11:13:31
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@Rose

Bootable floppy to boot to DOS. It is needed more than that for games right?

Install to HDD is not always plug and play.
Insert the floppy, cartrage, CD, DVD or whatever it is are much more user friendy exept it takes longer time to load. As small as Amiga games are it does not matter much anyway.

I hate how it is today. Boot the PC to install a game and there you are. Million programs that need to be updated, insalled together with OS updates. On top of that the after insatalling the Game you need to download 50GB for update every time you are going to play it.


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