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Hypex 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 9-May-2022 14:06:44
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@deadwood

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There are three main difference that come to my mind:


Thanks. That's an interesting contrast. The independence solves a few problems.

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MCAmiga is a tool written in Pascal. Here you can find more such tools:


Looks like it was intended to look that way. Somewhat quirky putting a DOS design into Amiga windows. Full screen would look the part.

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OlafS25 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 9-May-2022 18:47:43
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@Karlos

this is Aros with Scalos and OS4 Theme on 68k:
http://www.aros-platform.de/Scalos_OS4.png

and this Aros with Scalos and OS4 theme on X86:
http://www.aros-platform.de/Scalos_OS4_X86.png

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pixie 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 9-May-2022 20:29:46
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@deadwood

Is it somehow akin to the extinct ARIX?


Anyhow, great job!!

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OlafS25 
Re: AxRuntime
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@pixie

Deadwood will certainly answer it more precisely and competent than I

Basically Arix was planned a merge of linux kernel with aros, here aros components are ported to linux

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Karlos 
Re: AxRuntime
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Nice.

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deadwood 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 10-May-2022 5:19:11
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@pixie

Thanks!

It is similar is a sense that both use "Linux" as a base. Where (as far as I know) ARIX would be more of a standalone system with Amiga-inspired API using just Linux kernel, AxRuntime uses the whole Linux distribution (kernel and applications) and provide Amiga compatible API.

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Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 16-Nov-2022 9:34:08
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Hello all,

For people interested in AxRuntime development, here is a small video of what I've been working on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TwA-u8T3gg

This is still a proof-of-concept level of functionality (so less than 'alpha release') but if you are interested in trying it out, I prepared instructions here: https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?t...13708#msg13708

Last edited by deadwood on 16-Nov-2022 at 09:40 AM.
Last edited by deadwood on 16-Nov-2022 at 09:36 AM.

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Karlos 
Re: AxRuntime
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Looking good! Is it possible to remove the original window chrome? That would really improve the immersion.

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@Karlos

Agree, removing the chrome would improve the experience a lot.
But jesus, is this a technical achievement and a work of love!

10/10

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deadwood 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 16-Nov-2022 10:27:30
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Yes, that's actually the next step I want to take. It will mean Intuition will become a Linux window manager.

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QBit 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 16-Nov-2022 14:18:00
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@all

at least deadwood haven`t gave up.. There is Light on the end of the Tunnel again.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you deadwood!

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pixie 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 16-Nov-2022 16:16:01
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@Karlos

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Karlos wrote:
@deadwood

Looking good! Is it possible to remove the original window chrome? That would really improve the immersion.

My main grip are windows on windows, I guess it's a work in progress

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bison 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 16-Nov-2022 20:07:28
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@deadwood

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It will mean Intuition will become a Linux window manager.


You *might* be able to do this just by fiddling with _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE:

#include <X11/Xatom.h>
#include <X11/Xlib.h>
#include <stdbool.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>

int main()
{
Display *display = XOpenDisplay(0);
if (!display) {
fputs("Error: cannot open display\n", stderr);
exit(1);
}
int screen = DefaultScreen(display);
Window root = RootWindow(display, screen);
int black = BlackPixel(display, screen);
int white = WhitePixel(display, screen);
Window win = XCreateSimpleWindow(display, root, 560, 240, 800, 600, 1, black, white);
XSelectInput(display, win, ButtonPressMask | ExposureMask | KeyPressMask);
Atom property = XInternAtom(display, "_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE", false);
Atom data = XInternAtom(display, "_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NOTIFICATION", false);
XChangeProperty(display, win, property, XA_ATOM, 32, PropModeReplace, (unsigned char *)&data, 1);
XMapWindow(display, win);

for (bool loop = true; loop; ) {
XEvent event;
XNextEvent(display, &event);
//printf("%d\n", event.type);

switch (event.type) {
case ButtonPress:
case KeyPress:
loop = false;
break;
}
}
XCloseDisplay(display);
}

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deadwood 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 16-Nov-2022 20:39:15
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@bison

True, though I'm not only looking to remove the "linux-side" title bar, but introduce the full Intuition logic with regards to window's stacking, activation and order. That's different than you get with regular window managers.

And of course draggable screens. You can't have a real Amiga experience without being able to drag down Workbench screen and show a boing ball demo running underneath, can you. ;)

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Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 16-Nov-2022 21:22:59
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@deadwood

"regards to window's stacking, activation and order. That's different than you get with regular window managers."

you can already do that with enlightenment

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kolla 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 16-Nov-2022 22:25:21
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Just in time for the EOL of X11… any thoughts on Wayland?

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kolla 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 16-Nov-2022 22:40:12
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NutsAboutAmiga wrote:
@deadwood

"regards to window's stacking, activation and order. That's different than you get with regular window managers."

you can already do that with enlightenment


You can actually do that with AmiWM too, but it isn’t really screen dragging as much as just moving all windows associated to a desktop along with the desktop.

The real thing on Linux would be if you could stack the virtual console screens behind one another and drag them up and down… that would need to be implemented in the kernel…

Btw, Haiku does have the concept of screens in different resolutions/depths, but no dragging. With a regular graphics card it would almost have to be implemented using “3D capabilities”, where each screen with its “resolution” is scaled and rendered to a given equal or higher resolution truecolor surface, and these surfaces are stacked on top if each other.

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deadwood 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 17-Nov-2022 5:54:08
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you can already do that with enlightenment


Didn't know that - thanks for the information.

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deadwood 
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Posted on 17-Nov-2022 5:55:17
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@kolla

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Just in time for the EOL of X11… any thoughts on Wayland?


No, I haven't looked into Wayland.

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Karlos 
Re: AxRuntime
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Hasn't X11 been EOL for about 15 years? Just sayin.

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