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NutsAboutAmiga 
Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 28-Aug-2022 18:30:33
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I won’t go so far, sharing is useful, MorphOS and AROS shared a few bits, and sure benefits, more eyes looking at source code, more people can fix bugs, and code is unlikely to get lost.

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Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 28-Aug-2022 19:09:47
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ppcamiga1 wrote:
aros clowns as usually do not accept reality.
"classic" Amiga works on 32 bit big endian cpu.
It is one and only thing from original hardware that is still important.
Only on 32 bit big endian cpu os may be source and binary compatible
with good old Amiga OS from Commodore and 68k Amiga apps.
I include Amiga NG in "classic" because it is something like classic on steroids.
Amiga like from Commodore only better because many times faster.

aros x86 is worth nothing crap that is not binary and source compatible.
and at the same time more than 25 years behind oses from pc.
aros x86 is not binary and source compatible and has not memory protection.
It is incredible stupid. Nobody need this shit.


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szulc di mauro and all rest start working on something usefull.
made good amiga gui open source replacement then port it to unix.




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NutsAboutAmiga wrote:
@ppcamiga1

I won’t go so far, sharing is useful, MorphOS and AROS shared a few bits, and sure benefits, more eyes looking at source code, more people can fix bugs, and code is unlikely to get lost.

The reject of Mother Nature already had too much attention.

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Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 28-Aug-2022 19:17:39
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@ppcamiga1

Aros X86 is based on same sources as Aros 68k and on Aros 68k many programs work. I should know because I did a distribution based oin it ;). On Aros 68k many programs work, Deadwood is exactly doing that... porting Aros to Linux. So what else do you want?

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Rob 
Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 28-Aug-2022 19:37:16
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@matthey

I'm always a lttle sceptical of syntheric benchmarks that may have flawed results shown in isolation of other tests.

X1000 stream benchmark.



How does V4 do?

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cdimauro 
Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 28-Aug-2022 20:09:41
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@OlafS25

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@ppcamiga1

Aros X86 is based on same sources as Aros 68k and on Aros 68k many programs work. I should know because I did a distribution based oin it ;). On Aros 68k many programs work, Deadwood is exactly doing that... porting Aros to Linux. So what else do you want?

Puking on its designated enemy, of course: AROS.

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Bosanac 
Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 28-Aug-2022 20:57:26
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@cdimauro

He makes the same comments with sed s/Aros/MorphOS/g on morph.zone

Cousin marriage was clearly still legal in his country when he was conceived. 😂

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Karlos 
Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 29-Aug-2022 0:17:55
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@OlafS25

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@ppcamiga1


Please, just stop there. You're just feeding the know-nothing arseclown troll. He spouts this rubbish all the time. He still thinks PPC is somehow relevant in the world, when the fact is it's less relevant now then 68K was when it "replaced it" and probably less relevant now than 68K is.

I don't know where I heard or read this analogy but it's perfect. Arguing with the guy is like trying to playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good a chess player you are, it will just clumsily flap it's wings, knocking over all the pieces before declaring itself then winner, sh*tting all over the board and fly away.

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Karlos 
Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 29-Aug-2022 0:19:58
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Cousin marriage was clearly still legal in his country when he was conceived. 😂


Yeah, in his case though it was probably his cousins other cousin. You know, siblings.

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cdimauro 
Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 29-Aug-2022 5:15:25
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@cdimauro

He makes the same comments with sed s/Aros/MorphOS/g on morph.zone

Ah, then it's a parroting against what it has identified as OS4 "enemies".

However here I don't recall something against MOS and it's always against AROS. It looks like that's what it recognizes as the most dangerous enemy for its beloved OS4.
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Cousin marriage was clearly still legal in his country when he was conceived. 😂

MUHAHAHAHA

Maybe there's a simpler solution: it's a joke of nature despite the heritage...

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Bosanac 
Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 29-Aug-2022 18:58:00
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@cdimauro

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matthey wrote: cdimauro Quote: FPGAs are slow for implementing processors, if this was your idea. You need ASICs for that. Whereas they are good enough for implementing old chipsets. However that's good if you implement (or use) also the processors that those systems used. I mean: I don't see any sense on "hybrid" implementations (e.g.: a PowerPC CPU + the Amiga chipset). FPGA: Apollo core CPU ~100MHz in FPGA Emulation: G3@300MHz from a 3GHz modern CPU (less than 10% of performance of host CPU) ASIC: more than 10 times the performance of emulation It depends on what you need to achieve. As I've said before, IF you need to reproduce an entire system, especially having full compatibility as the key goal, then emulation is slow because the CPU has to do too many things. And usually using only a single core. But if you just need to reproduce only the CPU, then the emulation path gives very good performances, not so distant from the original system. Examples: Apple's Rosetta (PowerPC emulated on Intel) and Rosetta2 (Intel emulated on ARM). On the Amiga side we have Michal's Emu68 which clearly proves it. Quote: The CPU magic bullet is not a FPGA bullet but a silver ASIC bullet to kill the Vampire. That belongs to the first case: reproducing an entire system.


It’s as though he’s never heard of Amithlon let alone Emu68. 😂

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Karlos 
Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 29-Aug-2022 19:19:48
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@Bosanac

Amithong?

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Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 29-Aug-2022 19:27:41
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@Karlos

The thought of any Amiga user wearing a thong does not fill me with joy 😂

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cdimauro 
Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 29-Aug-2022 19:48:46
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@Bosanac

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That belongs to the first case: reproducing an entire system.


It’s as though he’s never heard of Amithlon let alone Emu68. 😂

Oh, yeah: I've completely forgot Amithlon.

However it's old, unmaintained, and there are no tests made with... ADoom.

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kolla 
Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 29-Aug-2022 20:01:30
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@cdimauro

And as you can see there, all the actual Vampire cards are discontinued, and neither of them offer anything most superior in terms of chipset and RTG.

Again - Vampire is Majsta’s trademark.

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matthey 
Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 29-Aug-2022 21:12:29
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Rob Quote:

I'm always a lttle sceptical of syntheric benchmarks that may have flawed results shown in isolation of other tests.


BusSpeedTest is an old and respected benchmark. It's not some new benchmark created to make Vampire hardware look good. Vampire/Apollo core hardware has good memory bandwidth which is where much of the performance comes from as it is weak in other areas like CPU clock speed. I believe this is with only DDR3 memory which came out in 2007 where most of our desktop graphics cards have been using higher bandwidth memory for over a decade. SoCs need more memory bandwidth than separate CPU and GPU memory.

Rob Quote:

X1000 stream benchmark.



How does V4 do?


I don't own a V4 to test even if there was a 68k compiled version of that "stream" benchmark. That benchmark must be popular for NG users though as those numbers were given for the X1000 on the Apollo-core forum along with the bandwidth numbers by Vojin Vidanovic. His X1000 stream benchmark results came out better though.

Vojin Vidanovic Quote:

STREAM version $Revision: 5.7 $
-------------------------------------------------------------
Function Rate (MB/s) Avg time Min time Max time
Copy: 4090.5074 0.0079 0.0078 0.0081
Scale: 3795.5355 0.0087 0.0084 0.0090
Add: 3865.6437 0.0137 0.0124 0.0176
Triad: 3786.9682 0.0130 0.0127 0.0133


Maybe your CPU memory bandwidth is worse in comparison to V4 memory bandwidth than Vojin's results with better memory?

cdimauro Quote:

Oh, yeah: I've completely forgot Amithlon.

However it's old, unmaintained, and there are no tests made with... ADoom.


Adoom Benchmark Amithlon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8bCzzVcliM

Only 453 fps and the upload is only from November, 2021. Amithlon fans forever!

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ppcamiga1 
Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 29-Aug-2022 21:17:23
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all this dumb pople that want to switch to x86 or arm do not accept
that in x86 or arm they compete with Microsoft, Google, Apple.
it is pathetic. time is money.
nobody sane will waste hours on x86 or arm on aros or emulator
when everything can be done in minuts on windows or android.

so szulc di mauro start working on something that will be not a shit compared to win/lnx/osx.


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Karlos 
Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 29-Aug-2022 22:38:08
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@ppcamiga1

Does being this moronic come naturally or do you have to work at it? Do you have any idea how many alternative operating systems exist for these architectures already?

The installed user base for the architecture is vast. None of these alternatives worry about being in competition with mainstream OS, they exist because people like them and work on them. There are probably more users running something like Menuet OS than all the PPC NG users put together.

PPC was fun to play with, but it's dead as an end-user platform. Completely and utterly. There's more life in Monty Python's ex Parrot.

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Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 29-Aug-2022 23:26:59
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ppcamiga1 wrote:

t is pathetic. time is money.


Except,
my spastic friend,
when one works as a burger flipper or equivalent, as you most likely do.




/mega

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cdimauro 
Re: Which Meinboard?
Posted on 30-Aug-2022 4:31:40
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From: Germany

@kolla

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kolla wrote:
@cdimauro

And as you can see there, all the actual Vampire cards are discontinued, and neither of them offer anything most superior in terms of chipset and RTG.

Does it matter? My statement on Vampire was on a very different context, right?
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Again - Vampire is Majsta’s trademark.

Then he should ask to remove any reference from the Apollo's site...


@matthey

Quote:

matthey wrote:

cdimauro Quote:

Oh, yeah: I've completely forgot Amithlon.

However it's old, unmaintained, and there are no tests made with... ADoom.


Adoom Benchmark Amithlon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8bCzzVcliM

Only 453 fps and the upload is only from November, 2021.

Thanks. Unfortunately there's no information about the PC config (the CPU, specifically). And the test was made without sound.
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Amithlon fans forever!

I prefer something else, as you know.

Besides that, you have to much hatred, Matt. Relax! It's just technology. We aren't owners. And we currently lack anything better / native. Just enjoy what we have and be happy!


@ppcamiga1

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ppcamiga1 wrote:
all this dumb pople that want to switch to x86 or arm do not accept
that in x86 or arm they compete with Microsoft, Google, Apple.
it is pathetic. time is money.
nobody sane will waste hours on x86 or arm on aros or emulator
when everything can be done in minuts on windows or android.

so szulc di mauro start working on something that will be not a shit compared to win/lnx/osx.




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MEGA_RJ_MICAL wrote:
Quote:

ppcamiga1 wrote:

t is pathetic. time is money.


Except,
my spastic friend,
when one works as a burger flipper or equivalent, as you most likely do.

/mega

Unfortunately it could make disasters even working as a burger flipper...

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Posted on 30-Aug-2022 10:06:24
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