@CosmosUnivers

You can use this logo:

@rzookol
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Last time i was invited to a free masson 'open conference' I just felt that the average age of those persons claiming being free masson was something like 65+ years old.

Most of them were just technicians or engineers when they were in their professional lifetime, and they choose to be free massons like other choose to go fishing, or playing cards: just to pass time and make friends.

If either any of those informs me that they spend all their sarurday conspiring against 68k supremacy, i will make all my possible to gather facts and pass them to the amiga world.

Anyway they meet every saturday, some workgroups concerns flowers research, some others concerns for example building simple electronic boards just for the fun. I see them just like if they were some kind of old school geeks. Or geek ancestors in fact.

Knowning 'your enemy' is mainly meeting them, and often, you realize your enemy is just like you: someone simple and human

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Knowning 'your enemy' is mainly meeting them, and often, you realize your enemy is just like you: someone simple and human

Yeah! In the third grade!

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@Amiga4000

Funny!

I like the way we've progressed to logos when the actual business plan has not been finalised or even discussed beyond,

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If you want to make mediocrity junk, go with Hyperion, Apollo Team, Jens and many others...

...and by implication presumably if you want superior 68k 'Pure Amiga' products then you support him and forsake all others?

It's not even clear that he wants to proceed now that it is clear no one wants to share the risk! He strikes me as an ideas man and wants someone else to do the heavy lifting from the get go (my opinion)!

I think we need to look at Stephen Jones as a role model as to how you build up respect, trust and customer satisfaction in this hobbiest sector and then further down the road you're then able to go full time and THINK about employing someone when the order book is already full!

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@Karlos

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Actually, you can. While it's not the same aesthetic, an emulator is a piece of software that can stand on its own and equally be admired as a work of art.

In the case of an emulator it goes deeper. While an emulator is a software manifestation of hardware, an emulator cannot exist or run without actual hardware. So an emulator still needs to run on a real CPU at the lowest level. Or some kind of real CPU. Since an FPGA can be configured as a CPU that could run an emulator. An FPGA CPU blurs the lines of simulation and emulation. A fun example would be FPGA Apollo core 68K running PC-Task. Because I thought it would be funny to be an emulator masochist, I was once ran PC-Task on OS4 and then leveled it up when I ran PC-Task Turbo. Yep, an x86 JIT emulator in 68K, running on a 68K JIT emulator in PPC, running as code on PPC.

Is the shop opened yet???

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@DiscreetFX

CosmosUnivers went off in a huff because we viewed this as a 'Dragon's Den' pitch (BBC programme) rather than a Holy Crusade against those that have committed heresy against the true 68k way!

Maybe the crusade will continue but it will do so in the shadows rather than on AmigaWorld it seems!

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@Hypex

I didn't quite follow the point you were making but I appreciated the emulation depth thing. I once ran JPP (a spectrum emulator) in PC task, on AmigaOS running on WinUAE under Wine on Linux (OK the last bit isn't hardware emulation).

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Where are the MiSTer emulators?!

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@Karlos

My point was that even though an emulator can certainly be a sophisticated piece of software and coding artwork for what it can do with hardware simulation, casting philosophy and interpretations aside, at the end of the day it still needs run on an actual computer with real hardware.

@Hypex

Ok, but how is that different than any other software?

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@Karlos

pfft if it doesn't run on the Babbage machine it's not real anyways.

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@Karlos

On a technical level there would be no difference to other software, since it's all code, aside from optimised JIT code that is somewhat self modifying. My point was really leading off from what Kolla said about the real CPU being a myth. Despite a modern CPU being rather complex with microcodes and more complex than a 68K, my point was it still runs on real hardware at some level.

@Hypex

I guess the point is that modern x64 processes are a myth because no real implementation exists. Instead the logical ISA and programming model is broken down into microarchitecture that's free to deviate. It's not just that complex operations are broken down into smaller ones, the register file and everything else imaginable can be different. The x86 opcode format has always been somewhat byte oriented but today it really is a bytecode.

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For x86 I have windows.
For arm I have android.
Real cpu is important.
Real cpu other than in pc is what made making software for amiga fun.
it must be 32 bit big endian as forty years ago when hitoro design first Amiga.
No x86, no arm, and no risc-v.

@ppcamiga1

I'll be worried the day you don't say something like that.

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@ppcamiga1

Arm or bust at this point and I think A-EON know it!

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ARM with new owner is busy shooting themselves in the foot with going after some of their largest customers over license issues, so I wouldn’t be totally surprised if ARM turns into a sort of Apple-only thing while RISC-V takes over ARMs place in embedded, hobbyist and in time, even the phone market.

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@ARM

All that said, would any of you buy ARM shares in the planned upcoming IPO?

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@kolla

It wouldn’t surprise me if ARM is trying to get itself bought by Apple.