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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 17-Jul-2023 3:56:19
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@fairlanefastback

Amiga ppc/NG start in 1995.
It was attempt to modernize Amiga to win 9x level.
Amiga NG is at least as fast and as comfortable in home use as pc with win98 or mac with mac os9.
goal was reached so Amiga NG was succes.
Nobody say it will be as modern as today pc.

not it is not equal to retro. It is better.
Amiga has everything that was standard since win95.
like

- cpu as fast as pentium 90
- 2D as fast as on pc in 1996
- 3D as fast as on pc in 1996
- working compatible MMU
- working compatible FPU

and os is compatible and cpu is real

It is faster and more comfortable than 68k
I reallly regret I don't buy Amiga NG earlier


FYI, Phase 5's CyberStorm PPC was released in 1997 and Blizzard PPC / 603e & 603e Plus was released in 1998.

CyberStorm PPC has PowerPC 604e @ 150 / 180 / 200 / 233 MHz and optional 68040 @ 25 MHz or 68060 @ 50 MHz.

Blizzard PPC / 603e & 603e has PowerPC 603e @ 160 / 200 / 240 MHz and optional 68040 @ 25 MHz or 68060 @ 50 MHz. BlizzardVision PPC is based on Premedia 2.

Phase 5's PowerUP (PowerPC) doesn't speed up 68K since Phase 5 PPC accelerators still include 68K CPU.

Too late for the 1996 Quake and PowerPC is useless for ClickBoom's Quake 68K port.

From 1998 to 1999, I have my Celeron 300A-based PC that was overclocked to 450 Mhz with 100 Mhz FSB. It was Intel's best-value gaming CPU moment. I switch to NVIDIA's RIVA TNT after comparing our university computers with NVIDIA RIVA 128 and Premedia 2 OpenGL.

https://vintage3d.org/3dlabs3.php#sthash.N9StQzW6.dpbs
"Permedia 2 often struggles to deliver comfortable gaming at 640x480x16"

the ever-growing gaming market business propelled ATI and NVIDIA to a performance 3Dlabs could not keep up with


3DLabs 2001 to 2005 WildCat SKUs were crushed by NVIDIA and ATI GPUs.

In 2012, ZiiLABS (3DLabs)'s certain engineering resources and assets related to its UK branch were acquired by Intel. During the 2010s, Intel was building its GPU division.


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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 17-Jul-2023 4:31:52
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Your under selling it.
We naturally progressed way past 1996 technology in some areas.

Quote:
- 2D as fast as on pc in 1996


"Windows Vista" is first to have accelerated desktop. is 2006 tech.
Windows 11 use the same tech today.

Quote:
- 3D as fast as on pc in 1996


transform and lighting year 1999
Shader 2001 (first graphic card with hardware shaders GeForce)
OpenCL 2009

OpenCL is effectively a dead duck when Intel (ZLUDA, SYCLomatic) and AMD (ROCm's HIP, Orochi) are targeting NVIDIA's CUDA.

https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Orochi
AMD Orochi aims to allow NVIDIA CUDA and AMD HIP support to exist within a single code-base and binaries. Orochi provides a library that loads the HIP and CUDA driver APIs dynamically at run-time. Therefore a single application binary can work on both AMD GPUs and NVIDIA GPUs.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 17-Jul-2023 6:40:29
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@NutsAboutAmiga

You are right.

Amiga ppc/NG start in 1995.
It was attempt to modernize Amiga to win 9x level.
Amiga NG is AT LEAST as fast and as comfortable in home use as pc with win98 or mac with mac os9.
goal was reached so Amiga NG was succes.
Nobody say it will be as modern as today pc.

not it is not equal to retro. It is better.
Amiga has everything that was standard since win95.
like

- cpu AT LEAST as fast as pentium 90
- 2D AT LEAST as fast as on pc in 1996
- 3D AT LEAST as fast as on pc in 1996
- working compatible MMU
- working compatible FPU

and os is compatible and cpu is real

It is faster and more comfortable than 68k
I reallly regret I don't buy Amiga NG earlier

Amiga NG is Amiga that Commodore will made around 2001 if still exist.

In some uses Amiga NG is even better.
Web for example. In home games development.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 17-Jul-2023 6:48:24
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@Hammer

trolls like you never stop.
what you wrote is pure bs.
ppc cards for Amiga from 1997 are pretty good but they are still ppc
so not count as 68k

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 17-Jul-2023 9:56:34
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@ppcamiga1

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Amiga NG is Amiga that Commodore will made around 2001 if still exist.


C= were not interested in the Amiga. The HP chips to be used in AAA going forward would have had even less compatibility than PPC AmigaNG machines. In all eventuality C= were on the look out for the next widget to sell rather than perpetuate the Amiga platform!

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 17-Jul-2023 16:11:09
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And exactly what does the above posts have to do with the A1222 being in Production?

Can we focus a bit here and stop dredging up decades old crap that has been hashed and rehashed a hundred times?

What say we keep focused on the A1222 being in Production so that those individuals that are interested in the A1222 can have some USEFUL INFORMATION.

Thanks!

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 17-Jul-2023 16:53:19
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Since there will be no official marketing of this device, may I suggest you not limit the thread to those who would buy this even if it arrived as an expensive paperweight! Presumably A1222Plus variants exist out in the wild already so maybe some up to date demos of optimised software for the SPE are in order in the run up to the top secret launch date?

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 17-Jul-2023 20:52:36
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@Thread

If Tommy Tallarico was CEO of Amiga instead of Amico things would be different. All I know is when the iPhone 15 Pro Max Ultra Quantum of Solace Gillian’s Island Edition ships in two more weeks nothing in this thread will matter!

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 17-Jul-2023 21:43:19
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@DiscreetFX

for many years amiga world was separated from real world

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 17-Jul-2023 21:48:35
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@ppcamiga1

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Amiga ppc/NG start in 1995.


During the VisCorp / ESCOM time, they had not decided on CPU.
Dec Alpha, MIPS, Strong ARM and PowerPC as possible choices, and it was huge speculation about next CPU. Meanwhile they decided to focus on the Amiga Walker with an MC68030 @ 40Mhz CPU, so step back from the 68060 @ 50Mhz accelerator cards.

NG started without the help of Commodore. Phase5 being the driving force.

Apple Macintosh, adapted PowerPC around 1995,
Phase5 was making accelerator cards for the Apple.
https://everymac.com/upgrade_cards/phase5/
This how Amiga got PowerPC CPU’s.
But many of Phase5 first accelerator cards for the Amiga was MC680x0 cards.

The x86 AROS project started early (1995), it was unknown project to most people in community, it was around 1998/99 when it started to take shape, but it was far from usable. The AROS project helped accelerate MorphOS (PPC) project later, after Phase5 went backrupt.

As far as I’m concerned PowerUP and WarpOS was just steppingstones towards NG, and operating system I consider proper full NG operating systems are AmigaOS4.1/MorphOS and AROS. But that can also be argued, due to all the legacy they keep dragging, kicking and screaming into 2023, good or bad. legacy is what makes it Amiga after all.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 17-Jul-2023 21:59:56
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@NutsAboutAmiga

Now AROS is accelerating ApolloOS!

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 18-Jul-2023 1:07:59
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@ppcamiga1

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@Hammer

trolls like you never stop.
what you wrote is pure bs.
ppc cards for Amiga from 1997 are pretty good but they are still ppc
so not count as 68k

Your "Amiga ppc/NG start in 1995" claim is FALSE.

The real troll is you.

You can't handle the truth.

Escom era "Walker" 1996 specification has up to 68EC030 @ 40 Mhz CPU.
Read https://bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=5

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 18-Jul-2023 1:29:03
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@BigD

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BigD wrote:
@ppcamiga1

Quote:
Amiga NG is Amiga that Commodore will made around 2001 if still exist.


C= were not interested in the Amiga. The HP chips to be used in AAA going forward would have had even less compatibility than PPC AmigaNG machines. In all eventuality C= were on the look out for the next widget to sell rather than perpetuate the Amiga platform!

Both the HP-UX operating system and PA-RISC are big-endian.

From https://winworldpc.com/product/hp-ux/10
Released in 1984, the initial version of HP-UX supported the Motorola 68k processor family, specifically the HP 9807A, the "HP Integral PC".

HP-UX 68K migrated to PA-RISC.

From https://archive.org/details/Hombre_201808/Hombre_Presentation_part_1/
Commodore's one of the major decisions for PA-RISC is code density.
68030 = 22 bytes
PA RISC = 32 bytes with 8 instructions
SPARC = 44 bytes with 11 instructions
MIPS = 52 bytes with 13 instructions

SPARC was also Sun's RISC solution after Unix based 68K workstations.

There are many platform vendors that switch from 68K to "yet another" RISC-based CPU, not just PowerPC.

ARM CPU family has support for a big-endian binary format which lessens 68K emulation overheads e.g. one less X86 BSWAP instruction.


According to Hombre designer Dr. Ed Hepler, Commodore intended to produce an AGA Amiga upon a single chip to solve the backward compatibility issues. This single chip would include Motorola MC680x0 core, plus the AGA chipset. The chip could be integrated in Hombre based computers for backward compatibility with AGA software.

Apollo's single 68K+AGA chip project needs to be bundled with a fast RISC CPU and 3D hardware accelerator. Apollo's single 68K+AGA chip solution can serve as a Southbridge function.

The latest NVIDIA and AMD GpGPUs still have legacy VGA and VBIOS support. Modern PC with LPC bus (via integrated PCI-to-ISA bridge) still has legacy ISA bus signals.



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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 18-Jul-2023 2:00:31
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@outlawal2

Quote:

outlawal2 wrote:
And exactly what does the above posts have to do with the A1222 being in Production?

Can we focus a bit here and stop dredging up decades old crap that has been hashed and rehashed a hundred times?

What say we keep focused on the A1222 being in Production so that those individuals that are interested in the A1222 can have some USEFUL INFORMATION.

Thanks!


Read https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=44958&forum=33&20

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 18-Jul-2023 7:09:54
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@Hammer

stop trolling

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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@NutsAboutAmiga

Amiga goes POWER PC (TM)

Bensheim 07/11/95

During his key note address held in Los Angeles at the Video Toaster Expo, Petro Tyschtschenko, CEO and President of Amiga Technologies officially announced the Power PC to be the processor used in the future generation of Amiga computers.

https://www.cucug.org/amiga/aminews/1995/at951111.html

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Amiga 1222
Even if it is ten years late it is still interesting.
Still real thing, compatible and fast.


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@ppcamiga1

odd, it doesn't use UAE for playing amiga games?

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Posted on 18-Jul-2023 11:13:04
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@ppcamiga1

Quote:
Petro Tyschtschenko...


Who? Oh THAT guy!

Petro's Big Idea!

Starting at 6:35 mins!

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@ppcamiga1

"Rising up like a phoenix!"

How did that work out for you Petro fan boys?

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