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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 19-Jul-2023 3:24:14
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Amiga 1222
Even if it is ten years late it is still interesting.
Still real thing, compatible and fast.

Woah there! Easy with the cavalier use of adjectives.

“Compatible” and “fast”?

Words have meaning.



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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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That's certainly true, but I'd caution folks on buying anything Amiga-related based on 'what will be' rather than 'what is' at the time of shipment … to avoid disappointment if promised features never make it for whatever reason.

I like your use of “if” in this statement. Very optimistic.

And “for whatever reason”? You make it sound like some remote possibility, in some unknown future.

In Amiga’s world, there is no probability wave that can collapse one way or the other. In our case, the proverbial cat was dead when it was placed inside Schrödinger’s box.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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@agami

Amiga NG is like my old Amiga 1200.
Only 1000 times faster.
And binary and source compatible.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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stop trolling. AT choose powerpc acs cpu of next Amiga in 1995.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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agami hammer v8 etc

some scumbags here as usually has problem with Amiga NG.
It is what it is. Amiga that Commodore will be made around 2001 if still exist.
want to switch to pc provide something that will be at least at xp level.
want other pople to use 68k provide something that will be as good as cheap pc from 2001 and cheap.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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@Thread

Since this thread is about A-Eon’s product the A1222 I have one question? What will happen to their other amazing product the Amiga X5000 version 20/40? I’m super happy I got mine in 2019 but is it a collectors item now? I would like to see further developments for it too. I wonder how many were sold?

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 19-Jul-2023 11:27:15
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@ppcamiga1

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Amiga NG is like my old Amiga 1200.
Only 1000 times faster.

Don't give us empty statements, like AT did in (very) late 1995.
Provide performance stats please.

I'm not entirely sure it's actually much more then 10x faster.


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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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@DiscreetFX

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@Thread

Since this thread is about A-Eon’s product the A1222 I have one question? What will happen to their other amazing product the Amiga X5000 version 20/40? I’m super happy I got mine in 2019 but is it a collectors item now? I would like to see further developments for it too. I wonder how many were sold?

That's all she wrote. Unless the market signals that there is 100+ individuals prepared to spend $2,000+ per system, it is doubtful there will be any additional production runs.
The chosen logistics do not support the bring-up of very small batches of systems.

A small contingent of fully assembled and non-assembled parts are kept in reserve for repairs and warranty claims. (I assume as that is best practice in the HW game).

I'd venture a guess that the AmigaOS 4.x landscape of X1000s, SAM460s, X5000s, and the upcoming A1222s will amount to an install base of ~1,500. Add some older sub-1GHz machines and it's probably ~1,750.
Can't really say what % would be considered as "in active use".
The focus now should really shift toward software: Both on the OS front and useful apps.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 19-Jul-2023 19:19:42
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@agami

So is this still the future of Amiga? At this point it seems doubtful in my view. Why don't A-EON and co. partner with RGL and bring the A600 Maxi to market, help Stephen Jones to get an Arm based Standalone PiStorm for his Checkmate Monitor or help Apollo with future 68k Vampire products? Look where the opportunities are and pool resources! 1500 users over 13 years is quite scary numbers for all the effort!

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 19-Jul-2023 20:05:28
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@BigD

Good suggestions for collaboration between teams! But will it ever happen?

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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@ppcamiga1

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ppcamiga1 wrote:
Amiga NG is like my old Amiga 1200.
Only 1000 times faster.


Ah, I see the problem now. You forgot to turn the A1200 on! Yes, i can see how NG might be about three orders or magnitude faster than nothing.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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@BigD

Maybe they could make some more Prisma Megamix boards so can incessantly ask if it works with [insert Zorro card here].

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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@BigD

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So is this still the future of Amiga?

I'm so glad you asked.

"A journey of a thousand miles in the wrong direction, starts with a single misstep." - agami

Saying that, in 2009 PowerPC was still not the wrong "future" for Amiga. Even taking into account that at the time Apple, the single biggest proponent of consumer computing on PowerPC, was already well into transitioning away from it and toward intel's Core lineup of x86-64 CPUs.

From 2009 I was critical and on the record of what I thought were too many poor choices in executing the 3rd concerted attempt at Amiga PPC HW, and the second concerted attempt of AmigaOS 4.x PPC HW.

Ideally, it (PPC) should have only been the short-term future of Amiga, with a move to x86-64 in 2015, which would have been the more longer term future.
By 2020, most apps would've been on the actual future architecture. So no, in 2023 PowerPC is not the future of the Amiga.

Instead of starting with a gateway product, they opted for empty pizzazz. They went for prestige, when what they needed was rebels to a cause.
Despite seeing the writing on the wall early in the journey, their egos and pride wouldn't allow them to pivot, so they doubled down.
With it, they ensured that PowerPC remained a sad chapter in the cursed narrative of a once venerable computing platform.


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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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@ppcamiga1

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stop trolling. AT choose powerpc acs cpu of next Amiga in 1995.

Like Commdore-International, Escom died in July 1996. Stop being a hypocrite.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 20-Jul-2023 6:06:12
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@ppcamiga1

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ppcamiga1 wrote:
agami hammer v8 etc

some scumbags here as usually has problem with Amiga NG.
It is what it is. Amiga that Commodore will be made around 2001 if still exist.
want to switch to pc provide something that will be at least at xp level.
want other pople to use 68k provide something that will be as good as cheap pc from 2001 and cheap.


Your "scumbags" attribution on me is a flame war trigger. Do you want to start a personal attack flame war then?

Commodore's PA-RISC-based Amiga includes a classic Amiga on a single chip , NOT a fucking Apple job.

Commodore's PA-RISC-based Amiga is like Sony's "fat" Play Station 3 with legacy Play Station 2 hardware.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 20-Jul-2023 6:22:47
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@Hammer

you have problem with people telling you truth about you.
stop trolling

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ppcamiga1 
Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 20-Jul-2023 6:34:39
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When I read some clowns that have problem with Amiga NG I remind year 1996.
In 1996 I sell my Amiga because it was not as fast and as good to work as cheap pc with win95.
27 years later pure 68k solutions are still not as fast and as good to work as cheap pc with win95.
27 years later x86/arm followers still has not working Amiga gui clone.
Only Amiga NG was (partial) success.
faster and more comfortable than 68k but still compatible.
with everything that was standard around 2001.

some scumbags here ara too stupid to get that people may want something comfortable and don't need another pc


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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 20-Jul-2023 6:39:08
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@ppcamiga1

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you have problem with people telling you truth about you.
stop trolling

Again, like Commdore-International, Escom died in July 1996.

Stop being a hypocrite. You're the real troll. Look in the mirror scambag.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 20-Jul-2023 6:40:10
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@ppcamiga1

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ppcamiga1 wrote:
When I read some clowns that have problem with Amiga NG I remind year 1996.

You started a personally based flame war. You're the real clown.

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In 1996 I sell my Amiga because it was not as fast and as good to work as cheap pc with win95.

I also sold my A3000 in 1996 for Pentium 150-based PC.

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27 years later pure 68k solutions are still not as fast and as good to work as cheap pc with win95.

FALSE. Against Windows 95-based PC, AC68080 V4 is faster than Pentium 75 Mhz / Pentium 83 Mhz OverDrive / MC68060 Rev 6 @ 100Mhz / AMD K5-PR90 (90Mhz).

AC68080 V4 has superior memory bandwidth compared to classic Pentium 64bit 66Mhz FSB.

The year 2023 AC68080 V4's standalone's price is lower than the Pentium 100 / 120 Mhz based PC 1995 era prices, but the PC is a moving target, hence Win95 classic Pentium level power is not desirable as today's mainstream personal computer solution.

Apollo-Core is a 68K cloner like AMD / VIA x86 cloners for the X86 market.

On power and specifications from PowerPC/POWER camp, a few solutions like IBM POWER9 and Raptor's Blackbird (one CPU socket) or Talos II (two CPU socket) PCie 4.0-based motherboard bundles are pretty good against PCIe 4.0-based Intel Alderlake and AMD Zen 2/Zen 3 PCs. Only the price for Raptor's Blackbird or Telos II motherboard is not competitive i.e. the Basic Blackbird Bundle (4-Core POWER9 CPU) has a $3,045.70 asking price.
PC target has moved towards PCIe 5.0-based motherboards.


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27 years later x86/arm followers still has not working Amiga gui clone.

FALSE. There are AROS X86 builts with integrated RunInUAE (68K) features.

MorphOS 3.12 Beta (2019) was shown to run on a modern AMD64-AM4-based PC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAUZivdbn-Q

Amiga's ARM camp has Emu68 which runs a very fast 68K CPU solution that doesn't need non-68K AmigaOS clones like classic MorphOS PPC or classic AmigaOS 4.1 FE PPC.

PiStorm32Lite-Emu68 enhanced C= A1200 kept C= Amiga chipset just like on UEFI Class 2 CSM enabled X86-64 PC. Hyperion officially supports the 68K market with AmigaOS 3.2.x releases. I already told you that the stock RPI 4B-Emu68 (1.5Ghz)'s DevilutionX 68K rivaled SAM460's DevilutionX PPC.

RPI 4B can be overclocked to 3 GHz with PC level active cooling solution.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-compute-module-extreme-overclock
RPI 4B's Cortex A72's 13 to 18-stage pipeline enables reasonably high clock speed.
Amiga 500/1200's netbook level PSU envelope can impose limits with any CPU accelerators for C= A500/A600/A1200.

Outside of classic C= Amiga hardware and clones, MorphOS and AmigaOS 4.1 FE / SystemOS54 on foreign hardware are effectively Draco AmigaOS for PPC.

No modern CPU microarchitecture directly executes their advertised instruction sets i.e. low-cost ARM Cortex A72 decodes ARM instructions into smaller atomic Micro-Ops. ARM doesn't expose its Macro-Op instruction set to external programmers. This instruction decode feature also exists for IBM's PowerPC 970 / POWER4. This design approach allows companies like ARM to replace the micro-architecture CPU core with a faster core without affecting the external instruction set.

AC68080 is like evolved 68060B project. Motorola canceled the 68060B project.

X86 world had instructions decode feature since AMD's 1994 NexGen 5x86 RISC86 and Intel's 1995 Pentium Pro and Motorola's 1994 68060.

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Only Amiga NG was (partial) success.

Debatable point.

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faster and more comfortable than 68k but still compatible.
with everything that was standard around 2001.

There are more than 10,000 AC68080 V2 and V4 units shipped.

There is another PiStorm (68K/ARM) Amiga users e.g. check the PiStorm Facebook page's membership count i.e. 3,132.

The A500 Mini (68K/ARM)'s Facebook page has ~7,300 members.

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Commodore Amiga's Facebook page has 29,729 members.

"More than 186,000 units sold in the first hour of trading" for TheC64Mini (CSG-MOS 65xx/ARM). Cloanto Corporation owns CBM 8-Bit ROMs.


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some scumbags here ara too stupid to get that people may want something comfortable and don't need another pc

Stop lying scumbag.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 20-Jul-2023 6:48:59
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@Hammer

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You started personally based flamewar, shithead.

Fools like you makes PPC Amiga look bad.


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@Hammer, leave that troll. It's not worth it-..

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