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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
Posted on 16-Feb-2024 17:57:46
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It was clear from the start that I had to keep you in my crosshair.

Too bad your aim is so lousy then.

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I just expected the vintage scene to be more united. A united "68k all the way hell yeah" united front. In the name of teh true Amiga!!1!!

But it seems that you are fighting eachother too over scaps and pieces. Pathetic.


Nobody is fighting anyone. You see the thing is, the "vintage crowd" however you want to label them have options and where there are choices and individual preferences, there are disagreements over which is best. But fighting? Not that I've ever seen.

Contrast this to the AmigaOS on spanking new bespoke PPC scene the last 20 years. Your one option
can be broken down into the following steps:

1. Get stoked over an announcement that new hardware is coming.
2. Wait an indefinite amount of time for the machine to arrive.
3. Point of no return: Grab one from a limited run when/if it does, often at a significantly higher price than it was originally announced.
4. Wonder why there's not really any major differences than the last time you did all this.

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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4. Wonder why there's not really any major differences than the last time you did all this.


In fairness, there is likely to be a difference this time round. Some of your software may not work properly/at all.

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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Not really, I have exposed you for the Powerpc hater that you are.


The fact that this one small thing is not true, but you are so desperate for it to be, seems to say more about you than anyone else.

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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Whatever keeps you warm at night.

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
Posted on 16-Feb-2024 18:49:47
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I’m really pragmatic about this stuff, 680x0 is slow CPU, and AmigaOS3.1 was not updated for years, OS3.9 was lot patches and was abandoned, due to dispute, between H&P and Amiga Inc, AfaOS was a back port of libs to try to make AmigaOS not looks so freakishly outdated, lack of development by using more up to date AROS parts. Then AROS was back ported but it was slow, then came OS3.1.4 and then OS3.2. 680x0 distribution has existed like forever, because of lack of updates and support. Continued optimization and improvements in compatibility has been ongoing on AROS 68K and has become the only option if you do not want to install patches on top of AmigaOS.

I do not think its question of if it was worth the effort, it has been that thing has happened wherry slowly over many years.

It’s not disadvantage to AmigaOS4.x users, we can use this distribution and alternative OS’s in EUAE. Personally, I stick with the AmigaOS3.1 or OS3.2, as I’m more concerned about compatibility then how it looks.

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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AmigaOS4 at 3440x1440@32bit just works. As is the bare minimum to be expected in 2024.


I see. Hypocritical as well as delusional. After all support for SMP, full memory protection and 64-bit addressing are also the bare minimum to expect in 2024 too (after all, you paid for the the hardware), but we aren't allowed to say that because that's comparing to grown up OSes, no fair!


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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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@Karlos

still no reasons to use arm connected to amiga
karlos start working on something useful on arm
something with amiga gui and graphics and on pair with android

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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64bit addressing is not necessary, AmigaOS4.1 use MMU for memory objects. In the upper memory.

I know you have been out of OS4.1 development team for while so you don’t know what’s going on.

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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I'm pretty sure anyone else reading gets it, even if you don't.

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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Of course we know that you are a Powerpc hater.

The joy of someone who learned a new word and find the need to use it everywhere... At least ppcamiga1 is straight to the point, don't waste energy trying to sound clever, it just rince and repeat ad nauseam but no ego, no attachment, whereas you pretend to be somewhat something you're not, clever... It's quite pitiful that amigans.net isn't cool enough for you, and perhaps having moderators doesn't help you either, anyhow

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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Two minor problems with your argument.

1. I wasn't in the driving seat, I was under a bonnet, primarily around graphics. It was interesting and fun and I got better support for my hardware in the process.

2. When I worked on OS4, there weren't any multi core 64-bit PPC machines to run it on. The Pegasos 2 was still pretty much the highest end machine you could get, rocking a single 32 bit core. The hardware mismatch we now have, started years later.

But I mean, apart from those, you make a watertight case.

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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?? What does that even mean?

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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You should put the beer down because when you sober up you might just be cringing at the drivel you're writing.

I mean, seriously. "Hey guys, I know we only have 603, 604, G3 and G4 compilation targets but we should go for all out 64-bit pointers and rework all of exec and drivers for SMP right now and forget any compatibility concerns with current hardware because according to my crystal ball, someone will make an AmigaOne with a dualcore PowerPC sometime in the next decade and there's a chance it might just boot. In the meantime we can just build, run and debug it all in our imaginations."

"That's a great suggestion there, Karlos. Let's just put that in the box marked 'call for ambulance, visible signs of concussion' shall we?"

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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Please, if there's some point you're try making, otherwise... I know English isn't your first language, you're more into cheese and what not... still with a bit more care I am perfectly confident you will be able to put two sentences together and explain what it was you really meant.

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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But dumb what down? Did cat eat your tongue?

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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Quack quack? Do you understand it now? If English isn't your forte, I 've seen you ducking around... Quack quack quack!!!

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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Be a man and take it to chin. Instead of running away and hiding from your responsibilities




So let's get this straight. You hate 3.x. You hate 68K. You would rather have had an OS that has no backwards compatibility at all with any of that "old shit" and would be fully SMP/64-bit for your X5000.

Hmm. Maybe I can help you after all...

Linux. Have you heard it it?

In addition to SMP, 64-bit addressing and memory protection, it has decent enough support for Radeon cards including OpenGL, Vulkan. You get a shiny, hardware composited desktop, powerful shell, fully functional USB, network, Bluetooth. And to top it off you get an up to date browser and half the software you use on your presently limited system are ported from it anyway.

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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No, I'm just saying based on your specific desires and attitudes towards AmigaOS and it's development history, the NG OS you want already exists and likely supports your hardware rather better. Give it a try. Oh, it's also free, but if that sounds too much like communism you can usually pay to have a physical disk shipped. Or you can stick to the tank half full firing on a single cylinder model you have now.

The problem with chucking out all the old stuff was that, for some weird reason that I forget, the idea of the Amiga operating system being compatible as possible with Amiga software was considered a good thing.

Some crazy people may even say it still is.

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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA
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Alternatively, if Linux is not to your liking...

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First of all you should have dumped the Os3 API into the trash when you were part of the team. Then 64bit and smt was doable.


...Why not volunteer to join the OS4 Dev Team yourself? I am sure they would be happy for the assistance that someone with your expertise has to offer. And with just a little of the persuasive eloquence, charm and wit you exude here, you will be sure to win over the team and align them to your vision for the platform. It's not too late to right the ship. Be the change you want to see!

You can do it.

Chop chop, geen.

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But they are your desires. You already said in no uncertain terms *how* OS4 should have been developed

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First of all you should have dumped the Os3 API into the trash when you were part of the team. Then 64bit and smt was doable.


by explicitly discarding everything that made it AmigaOS then so that it could be modernised by now.

Ignoring for a moment I'd not have been a part of the team for many minutes after unilaterally "dumping all the OS3 API into the trash", now is your chance to claim the glory and do what others could not, or dare not do. So what it it's 20 odd years late?

Oh no, suddenly it's just your hobby again. Well fine.

Do tell though, why to you run an OS that is defined by an architectural legacy you profess to hate, from a machine you profess to have no sentimentality for?

You are the "walking contradiction" here.

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