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So noticed another bug. If a thread has a large number of pages, and you click on the last page in the link, it loads an index with a blank page. The last page is shorter by one than in the link.

I'll give an example. Currently this large thread is listed as having 65 pages:
some words on senseless attacks on ppc hardware (1, 2, 3, ... , 65)

If you click on the 65 you are taken here to a blank index page:
https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=45085&forum=33&start=1280&viewmode=flat&order=0

To get to the real last page you need to click the 64:
https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=45085&forum=33&start=1260&viewmode=flat&order=0

Until I figured it out I was wondering why the last page was always blank.

@Hypex

I believe this is the result of moderation, when number of removed posts corresponds to a page.

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@kolla

It looks like this is the case. Though I don't know what would be posted to be blocked out. I can see it might be a sensitive topic for some but certainly a popular one going off the rails.

@Hypex

It was an Dutch user who went on a spree, but I think he asked to be deleted, and ever since we had this issue, since all his posts got deleted

geennaam, if I am not mistaken

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@pixie. Correct. But even if the guy deleted all his messages then I don't see why the forum software should produced such weird behaviour.

This bug should be very easy to find and fix.

BTW, it would be also very good to remove the &forum= parameter which is always added (and needed!) on each URL: having the thread_id or the post_id then it's super simple to get the forum_id. This additional parameter makes it hard to make dumps/backups of the forum.

@cdimauro

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cdimauro wrote: This bug should be very easy to find and fix.

I agree. It appears that pagination is based on the post_id, but the actual display of posts is based on post_enabled.

Easy enough fix if only there were someone still around to fix it.

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@agami: but there should be some volunteer (?) which is still (?) working on the site maintenance.

If not, or not enough (time available), there might be some forum user which could help (it's PHP and, very likely, MySQL: not rocket science...).

@cdimauro and @agami

So the two of you volunteer?
You both sure seem to have enough time on your hands…

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kolla wrote: @cdimauro and @agami So the two of you volunteer? You both sure seem to have enough time on your hands…

Well, actually you're the one which is spending a considerable amount of time doing nothing, so you're better entitled.

BTW, a sysadmin is likely needed, and you're supposed to be one, right?

This clarified, I've no problem helping here. That's not my area of competence, but it's a trivial stuff as I've mentioned before, and changing the PHP program shouldn't be a big mess.

However, I don't think that the site owner is interested on giving the access to the forum to unknown people...

@cdimauro

As sysadm I delegate php issues to the respective application owners, and shut down sites that aren’t maintained. Just about all amiga forums are operated as they were 20+ years ago… even "enterprise" has moved onwards faster.

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@cdimauro

As sysadm I delegate php issues to the respective application owners, and shut down sites that aren’t maintained. Just about all amiga forums are operated as they were 20+ years ago… even "enterprise" has moved onwards faster.

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kolla wrote: @cdimauro As sysadm I delegate php issues to the respective application owners,

Too easy and not the reality. A sysadmin should know which software is installed on the system, where it is, how it's configured, and should help if there's some problem which doesn't strictly belongs to the development area.
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and shut down sites that aren’t maintained.

This decision belongs to the project owner: sysadmins can only execute based on his/her decision.
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Just about all amiga forums are operated as they were 20+ years ago… even "enterprise" has moved onwards faster.

Indeed, but that's what we have. And since there isn't and there'll be no move towards better/modern platforms, if there are issues then the only way it fix the current software.

@cdimauro

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cdimauro wrote: @kolla Quote: kolla wrote: @cdimauro As sysadm I delegate php issues to the respective application owners, Too easy and not the reality. A sysadmin should know which software is installed on the system, where it is, how it's configured, and should help if there's some problem which doesn't strictly belongs to the development area.

Indeed, and that’s what happens if the application owner is somehow struggling to fix bugs. Usually they don’t though, and are happy to have flaws pointed out for them.
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Quote: and shut down sites that aren’t maintained. This decision belongs to the project owner: sysadmins can only execute based on his/her decision.

“unmaintained� means that there are no project owner, and of course shutting down services happens in coordination with "upper layers�. It’s not sysadm’s obligation to maintain all kind of orphaned project web site ad infinity. As sysadm I’ve been monitoring hundreds of web installations, running on a variety of technologies and operating systems, on premise at multiple locations and in the cloud. But a sysadm’s domain reach much farther than maintaining web services, there’s network infrastructure, IP address management, hardware life-cycle management, out-of-light management, centralized logging, storage, databases, dns, directory services, automation, services life-cycle management, ticket systems, monitoring systems, internal PKI, external PKI, PAM and PIM… the list is pretty much endless.

So no, delegating some flaws in some php code to people who actually are web developers isn’t a “wrong thing�, it’s the normal thing to do.

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Quote: Just about all amiga forums are operated as they were 20+ years ago… even "enterprise" has moved onwards faster. Indeed, but that's what we have. And since there isn't and there'll be no move towards better/modern platforms, if there are issues then the only way it fix the current software.

Never mind this site, and a few others, are owned and run by … ahm…

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@kolla OK, and? You just confirmed what I've said, but the situation of this site remains the same...

@cdimauro

The main issues are that the CMS was quite heavily customised back when DaveyD started the site. Yes there are newer CMSs that would solve a lot of problems, but the site was designed to actually work on real Amiga browsers (which are terribly outdated by modern standards).

This combined with there being only one person maintaining the server side of things, and who is generally having only spare time to work on major issues the site faces. Sadly as more things on the back-end get updated, some things within the CMS break.

Should the site owners decide to move onto a new CMS, any compatibility to the old Amiga browsers will be lost and much of the site would then be inaccessible to them.

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@_Steve_: granted.

However, there are people here that might help fixing some bugs if there's no chance to move to another CMS.

@pixie

Yes I know geennaam. Well that's disappointing. But it' also strange as even if you closed your account or were banned the messages used to remain. People used to ask for the messages to be deleted and were told no. Because there was some dependence preventing it. Like how a dead Amiga program and window couldn't be removed from AmigaOS. I wonder what changed?

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@Hypex

And the reason being now self evident why the account shouldn't be deleted. I have the idea that not only his posts vanished, but those answering to him. I remember having answered some of his posta which are now also vanished

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@Hypex

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Hypex wrote: I wonder what changed?

GDPR

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@Hypex

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Hypex wrote: @pixie Yes I know geennaam. Well that's disappointing. But it' also strange as even if you closed your account or were banned the messages used to remain. People used to ask for the messages to be deleted and were told no. Because there was some dependence preventing it. Like how a dead Amiga program and window couldn't be removed from AmigaOS. I wonder what changed?

What happens is when a person asks for their account to be deleted, it removes everything relating to that person so all messages etc. become "anonymous", but will still be visible in their respective threads.

The only way to avoid that is to lock the account from the user (changing password and/or recovery e-mail address), or to simply restrict it from posting. This prevents the account being used but retains all messages the user had.

In the age of GDPR, most people ask for their account to be deleted when leaving, so the first scenario is what will happen.

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