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Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 15-Jan-2020 18:03:09
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Assuming I have the right hardware (Plipbox connected to a wi-fi "range extender") and software (OS 3.9 Genesis, AmiTCP, and recently-added demo version of Roadshow) what I need is how to answer the questions that I am asked when trying to log into the wi-fi network for the first time.
I don't have a fixed IP address, which seems to complicate things.
Anyone have any ideas?
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 15-Jan-2020 18:10:28
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 16-Jan-2020 0:36:17
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Thanks. I may have seen them, but my problem right now (as I discovered this afternoon) is that my "range extender" doesn't work any more and I may have to buy one. |
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 16-Jan-2020 6:43:33
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1. Get range extender. 2. Connect you PC to it with wire. 3. Check your IP with your PC, using Command prompt and IPCONFIG command. 4. Using your PC connect to default gateway with web browser. 5. Find out what is DHCP range, ie IPs wich it gives to computer. 6. Choose IP for your Amiga, based that information, changin only last number.
About IPs
Default gateway is you internet router. Most of cases it gives IP for computers. Service wich does this is DHCP. Usually DHCP has a range of IPs. like 192.169.1.99-200. In this examble you could choose these IPs for you Amiga 192.168.1.2 - 98 and 192.168.1.201 - 254
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 16-Jan-2020 15:12:38
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AFAIK remember Genesis/AmiTCP is rather old and doesn't support DHCP. Miami does. As well as Roadshow. I recall Miami having some kind of PLIP driver at least. |
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 16-Jan-2020 15:51:27
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I have a Macbook Pro, not a "PC", so I don't know what a IPCONFIG command is or where to access it.
An idea popped into my head: what if I ran an Ethernet cable from the Plipbox to the Ethernet port of the laptop?
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 16-Jan-2020 19:02:35
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| @GaryG Quote:
I have a Macbook Pro, not a "PC", so I don't know what a IPCONFIG command is or where to access it.
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Mac after OSX have a Unix like OS with a shell, they usually provide a command called ifconfig.
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... if I ran an Ethernet cable from the Plipbox to the Ethernet port of the laptop?
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Bad idea as long as you don't know how to configure the Mac as a router.
I would suggest an ethernet connection with your internet router for the first test, look if you can get a stable connection via ethernet before switching to wifi.Last edited by OneTimer1 on 16-Jan-2020 at 07:03 PM.
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 16-Jan-2020 19:08:34
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I have no access to the Internet router as I live in a wi-fi environment with routers/access points buried behind ceilings. |
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 17-Jan-2020 9:48:58
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You can make a educated ques. Find out what is your Mac's IP.
You need to know your Mac's IP addres, subnet mask, gateway. As name servers you should be able to use 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 wich are google's public name servers.
If it is something like 192.168.1.165, you could quest that IP like 192.168.1.30 etc are outside of DHCP pool. After that you should ping it, to se that it is not a used (to shell ping 192.168.1.30)
After that you can set it as a manual IP to your TCP stack.
Setting up TCP stack is simple
Both Genesis / Miami
First choose device, plipbox.device and set up IP, gateway, subnet mask and names servers (DNS)
I did it with Genesis and Plipbox last evening, took 2 minits.
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 17-Jan-2020 12:24:08
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Mac after OSX have a Unix like OS |
Understatement - macOS (and OSX) *ARE* certified variants of UNIX.
And of course it can be configured as a router, easiest of all is to just "share" your internet connection from system preferences/sharing, tick internet sharing -> select wifi, and tick ethernet.
(and for fox sake - it is called an "IP address", not just an "IP" - if you ask me what IP I have, I will answer "v6" just to mock your ignorance)Last edited by kolla on 17-Jan-2020 at 12:39 PM. Last edited by kolla on 17-Jan-2020 at 12:37 PM. Last edited by kolla on 17-Jan-2020 at 12:25 PM.
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 18-Jan-2020 1:51:36
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I tried connecting the PLIPBOX to the laptop's Ethernet port and got a message that 802.11a prevented sharing, and I had to turn off Internet Sharing, but it's not clear to me to get around this. |
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 22-Jan-2020 15:41:50
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To share the internet over ethernet on the Mac you will likely need a cross over ethernet cable which tend to be red. I've not got a standard cable to work. The cross over is like a null modem cable.
I have used a similar setup to yours regarding a shared wifi network. Modern devices tend to work better but the past chaining two devices together like an Amiga network card to a router connnected to a modem over DHCP causes trouble. If the Amiga used DHCP and the router had WAN over DHCP it used to break.
Not sure how your D-Link works but in the past I have used one with a client wifi mode and DHCP needed to be switched off in it. This also meant the network was broken if it couldn't get a wifi signal. So a bad design not having a DHCP fallback so the router gave some clue it was listening.
So my A4000 has an A2065 card. I have connected it to an LP-Link ethernet to wifi adaptor and it has worked. Over a public wifi network with log in page. I used Miami which has DHCP.
Once I had that setup the last problem to solve was logging into the wifi. It used to work in the Amiga browser but at one point broke. Prefer IBrowse but NetSurf has more modern engine. Sometimes I connected another computer to the adaptors own SSID to setup and browse through. So that I could use a more moderne browser to log in to the wifi. In any case I needed to use Firefox to configure my adaptor as it broke on other browsers.
Are you able to setup the D-Link using your Mac and log in to your wifi network? Either over wifi or ethernet. Leaving it plugged in to the Amiga may be best if you can so you can log it in if the wifi ties MAC addresses to log ins. |
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 22-Jan-2020 16:35:12
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I haven't used the D-Link since they installed an "access point" in the ceiling of my apartment to amplify the signal from the router in the hallway.
I have tried to connect it to the Plipbox via Ethernet cable, but will buy a crossover cable and report the results.
Do I need to start a TCP stack on the Amiga if the connection works, or would it be redundant since the Macbook Pro side already is online via wi-fi? Last edited by GaryG on 22-Jan-2020 at 05:45 PM.
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 23-Jan-2020 0:49:15
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Well, I got a crossover cable and connected it to the Plipbox's Ethenet receptor and the Macbook Pro's Ethernet port, but I get a popup message from the Mac side that my Internet connection cannot be shared because it is protected by 802.1x, and suggests disablying Internet sharing or selecting another network.
Where do I got from here, if anywhere? |
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 23-Jan-2020 6:29:46
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Forget crossover cables, it is really a simple to setup network with Amiga. Don't hassle!
I tried to found what TCP/IP stack you are trying to use???
If it is Raodshow you need to copy one file and edit it with text editor.
Roadshow Guide will tell you rest.
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 23-Jan-2020 7:38:14
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my Internet connection cannot be shared because it is protected by 802.1x |
Finally something that made sense in this - 802.1x means that this is not a regular "public" WPA/WPA2 protected wifi network with just a pre-shared key (PSK, aka "wifi passord"), but rather an "enterprise" network with user authentication through the wifi supplicant.
Yes, those typically have policy of not allowing network sharing.
And you can also forget getting the Amiga on such a wifi network, and quite a few wifi bridges as well I suspect. But a raspberry pi, or orange pi etc. can do it, as long as you NAT behind them, so NAT behind NAT etc.
If your network IPv6 also, by any chance?Last edited by kolla on 23-Jan-2020 at 07:42 AM.
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 23-Jan-2020 10:26:15
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>If your network IPv6 also, by any chance?
I have no idea.
I see in the Mac System Preferences that I can disconnect 802.1x Would that help, or just take my network down? |
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 23-Jan-2020 10:29:36
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Is it necessary to use a TCP/IP stack on the Amiga side at all?
I have the Roadshow demo, but haven't installed it. In general, I don't like to mess with my settings, especially when I don't understand them well.
How do I edit Roadshow to get my Amiga online?
I also have Miami (just not DX).
I used AmiTCP 4.0 demo that came with the OS just while testing out the connection. |
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 23-Jan-2020 10:59:58
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Prety much everything what ordinary user might want to do on Network requires TCP/IP stack.
You should decide wich TCP/IP stack you are going to use.
Note** RoadShow and Miami supports DHCP, wich mean they will get IP-addres automatically.
AmiTCP doesn't support DHCP, so you need to setup IP-addres manually.
You might want to setup IP-addres manually in any case, because it will make Amiga's boot faster, especially, if there is a problems to get IP-addres.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_nDWK7COpQ
He is configurin 3com PCMCIA nic to use with Raodshow. He is using Adrianne (Another Amiga NIC) as a template.
So if you install Raodshow you can start video from 4:00 copy files like him, but instad renaming it to 3c589, rename it to PlipBox
Only mandatory thing is copy file, to corret place. renaming it is just to make things clear.
From: 6:00 is second mandatory thing, you need to edit correct device driver to that config file, you just copied.
Again instead of 3c589 reneme it to plipbox.device
Of course you need to have plipbox.deive copie to sys:devs draver.
PS. In video he is making a config wich does NOT start Roadshow automatically, that why I told you a times to watch.
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Re: Still need help getting my Amigas connected to a wifi network Posted on 23-Jan-2020 16:44:51
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What happens if you connect the Mac to the access point using cable?
As stated yes you still need a TCP stack on the Amiga side. But by the looks of it, it would be easier without it. However, some driver will need to connect it to the internet. |
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