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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 30-Oct-2010 13:27:40
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Second half of october 2010 is over abou a day or so.. where is Sam460ex??
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 30-Oct-2010 15:00:41
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 30-Oct-2010 15:07:30
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Any idea when the X1000 is going to be available for purchase? |
Any idea when you'll stop waiting and buy the available hardware? _________________ Philippe 'Elwood' Ferrucci Sam460 1.10 Ghz AmigaOS 4 betatester Amiga Translator Organisation |
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 30-Oct-2010 15:59:53
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mavherzog wrote: Any idea when the X1000 is going to be available for purchase?
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Offhand, as a rough estimate, I'd say...
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 30-Oct-2010 16:22:16
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What! You still haven't bought an OS4 machine? Or wanting to upgrade?
X1000? Next year. |
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 30-Oct-2010 17:03:06
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Are you kidding me?
Have you been waiting to purchase a system since end of January 2006 ?
Easy solution SAM440EP-FLEX + AmigaOS 4.1 from amigakit.com
Sometimes they also sell complete systems.
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 30-Oct-2010 17:35:19
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mavherzog wrote: Any idea when the X1000 is going to be available for purchase?
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"When it's Done"
I sat on the sidelines for years with an A3KT using 3.1. PicassoIV, DKB3128, WE4040 128M, CV64, 9G SCSI etc. Then I got a chance to upgrade to a CSPPC/CVPPC. So I stood pat and missed the start of OS4 + AmigaOne.
When I got a chance I finally bought a MicroA1.
It ran side by each with the A3KT for 2 weeks.
I then parted the A3KT out at a discount to various Amigans. I still paid for the Micro with that even though my tower and CV64 were not paid for despite 60$ shipping costs.
The MicroA1 gave me enjoyment for over four years and I ended up selling it for half price to a friend who was in need of a new Amiga.
I got a used AmigaOne XE with 2G of RAM, G4@933 and a 9250 running OS4.1. It cost the same amount as the Micro brand new.
Now I am standing in line for the betatest of the X1000.
You can ask and compare and set conditions and wait for the right time and speculate and procrastinate or you can jump in and make a go of it - the Amiga holds its value somehow - and you don't have to do it at the level of Trevor D. who has realized his dream of a high end Amiga, you can just buy what's available.
The only thing you can't have at the moment and maybe for the next decade is "cheap". There are no economies of scale until either the hardware is tasked to some other real world use by industry or business or we re-establish a much larger community.
However we do have something that we have not had for a long time. We have new hardware. We have more on the way. We have OS4 and it is being actively developed. There is also a roadmap on how to get to the next step.
This is not a democracy it is a business with all the attendant risks. Those with a paid up stake in it get to call the shots and they aren't making the mistakes of the past again. Their quiet confidence is encouraging more and more people to actually do something from buying available hardware to developing for the new platform. |
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 31-Oct-2010 0:56:27
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winnetcom wrote: @mavherzog
Sounds like you missed most of the BS from the last year. Or so. Great for you.
I'll be getting a Sam440 as soon as I can find a US distributor also. Hopefully by Christmas ? Anyone ?
I'll use Sam440 as media player and Browser mostly, at first. Sounds like both apps are coming along nicely. Now that h/w and users will increase the Great Amiga devs will come back I think.
Good to have you back.
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You should have gone to the AmiWest 2010 Show last weekend and you could have tested, played with, or just observed others using the SAM440, SAM460, AmigaOne X1000 all running AmigaOS4.1.2 AND MorphOS2.6 running on my 1.5GHz G4 MacMini, 1.25GHz G4 eMac, Dual 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac tower & even a beta version running on my 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook.
We can only hope that more former "Great Amiga developers" will return to writing new Amiga software for these next generation systems if/when the number of users increases in the future, but don't bet the farm that it is going to overnight.
AmigaKit distributes their gear in the USA, check out their website, which has different pages for USA, UK and other locations for new systems, or mobo's for running AmigaOS4.x and check out your local newspaper, Craigslist and eBay listings for cheap PPC Macs that you can buy to run MorphOS2.6 on. Of course you can always just use any PC that you already have to run AROS and/or WinUAE/AmigaForever.Last edited by amigadave on 31-Oct-2010 at 01:01 AM.
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 31-Oct-2010 12:39:46
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We can only hope that more former "Great Amiga developers" will return to writing new Amiga software ... but don't bet the farm that it is going to overnight |
I think it will happen (and is happening) gradually.
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Any idea when the X1000 is going to be available for purchase? |
Not until (probably a while) after the X1000 beta testers get their machines, so that any AmigaOS4 bugs can be found & fixed. I don't recall seeing any public info about that this will/has happened, but the last news item was at the beginning of September...Last edited by ChrisH on 31-Oct-2010 at 12:40 PM.
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 31-Oct-2010 13:32:18
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We can only hope that more former "Great Amiga developers" will return to writing new Amiga software ... but don't bet the farm that it is going to overnight
I think it will happen (and is happening) gradually.
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Any names, a list maybe?
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 31-Oct-2010 13:57:52
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Being the owner of a micro, I wouldn't recommend one unless you won't be doing anything graphics-oriented with it. You'd be stuck with the built-in graphics output, which is pretty limited. This is something I've been irritated about for years. There are lots of micros's out there and most of the owners probably feel sort of abandoned.
Amigas may cost a lot, but their obsolescence period is way longer than a PC. Other than the graphics problem, my micro hardware is still pretty up-to-date except for the lack of a SATA connector. I could add a SATA card if I really wanted to. Last edited by thinkchip on 31-Oct-2010 at 02:11 PM.
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 31-Oct-2010 16:35:03
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There are lots of micros's out there and most of the owners probably feel sort of abandoned. | Being a happy owner of a µA1 myself since December 2004 I do not share your feelings about being left abandoned. The board does not have any options left to increase its capacities, sure. But I do not feel bad about this. Quite the contrary as I've been present at the party of both the birth and infancy of OS4.0. I feel quite happy about this. And now knowing that SAM460 is lurking around the corner and X1000 WITHIN the horizon of time I feel better every day. Would not have missed it now I know what it is.
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 31-Oct-2010 17:08:22
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x86/PowerPC is nothing to do with the amount of computers to run AmigaOS. There's loads of PPC computers out there that don't run AmigaOS - if we went x86 we'd just have loads of X86 computers that don't run AmigaOS instead. This has been covered ad nauseam in other threads. |
it would be 'easy and extremely cheap' to find an x86 box that supports AOS if it went x86. You only have to look at AROS for undeniable proof of that. That argument of yours is utter BS buddy plus - those loads of ppc computers you talk about are a dead end, when compared to the 'loads' of x86 boxes around they suddenly don't look like 'loads' any more and they also cost more.
I wont say HW is completely meaningless, If amiga can build tomorrows new architecture which smashes intels x86 - ill be all for it - not gonna happen tho - so x86 it is!...pursuing PPC is insanity. There is no advantage in 2010.
Build the damn OS for pc and watch the user base grow overnight as everyone on this forum runs out as soon as they can to buy a copy. News would spread. Other previous amiga users would get a copy. Hyperion would see a cash flow its never seen before. Its so obvious a child could see it. Also Dave Haynie of course...but noooooo, were told we need to pay through the nose for yesterdays ppc junk. I dont ever recall seeing a PPC CBM machine....
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 31-Oct-2010 17:22:51
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Build the damn OS for pc and watch the user base grow overnight as everyone on this forum runs out as soon as they can to buy a copy. |
Unfortunately Amiga OS4 can't be made to run on X86 overnight. By the way AROS doesn't support my Radeon 4670 and even the VESA mode results in a borked display. |
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 31-Oct-2010 18:25:34
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Build the damn OS for pc and watch the user base grow overnight as everyone on this forum runs out as soon as they can to buy a copy. |
Unfortunately Amiga OS4 can't be made to run on X86 overnight. By the way AROS doesn't support my Radeon 4670 and even the VESA mode results in a borked display. |
...your missing the point. go on ebay and get a supported video card for next to nothing and then you can stop crying your current radeon isnt supported.
its easily possible to do extremely cheap on x86. Its over $3000 USD for ppc thats remotely modern yet still yesterday...
I never said Os4 could be made to run on x86 overnight so I dont really like words being put into my mouth... Once it is available, we'd all run out and buy it...you know thats exactly what I meant and your playing little word games...
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 31-Oct-2010 19:32:58
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it would be 'easy and extremely cheap' to find an x86 box---- |
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. go on ebay and get a supported video card for next to nothing AND, its easily possible to do extremely cheap on x86. AND, Once it is available, we'd all run out and buy it.
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If it were extremely cheap.
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 1-Nov-2010 9:20:10
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Yes but no info about presale or start of sale in noveber... On site is info about second half of oktober and thats it. _________________ F1 Srbija |
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 1-Nov-2010 9:47:20
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Aros supports my 4670 well enough. vesa modes are fine and well native will show up soon enough.
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 4-Nov-2010 5:05:07
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it would be 'easy and extremely cheap' to find an x86 box---- |
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. go on ebay and get a supported video card for next to nothing AND, its easily possible to do extremely cheap on x86. AND, Once it is available, we'd all run out and buy it.
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If it were extremely cheap.
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i cant see you paying more than $20 for a used supported card won on an auction.
I paid $50 for a used 8800GTS. I won a pentium 4 the other day with a gig of ram for $8.
it is extremely mega cheap - before you even sit it next to a $3000USD fairly slow ppc dual core.
I dont know what planet you live on. You must be living in a cardboard box if you cant afford x86 stuff.
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Re: Are you kidding me? Posted on 4-Nov-2010 9:31:18
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he obviously pointed his tongue at the "we'd all run out and buy it" with the "if it were extremely cheap". Cause if your main concern is cutting cost and buying second hand "extremely cheap" hardware, why should anyone believe you would pay at all for software? _________________ This weeks pet peeve: Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean. |
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