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Srbin 
Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
Posted on 2-Feb-2007 14:37:57
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Microsoft never claimed that win is the true PC's os. It took the market with the good price/quality value. So, the true PC' os now is obiosly windows; the os that can take most of the machine for low price, have bunch of s/w and is not expansive so much. I bet most users never even heard for OS/2, at least younger generations. How many ppl you can see to use os/2? I never saw any, really. I don't even know how it looks like. De facto OS from my pc is windows. Although, i don't like it, i have to use it. It is standard.

Same logic goes to amiga. If mos or aros gets MUCH better and cheaper than OS4 (in case os4 would be sold for efika, sam or any other h/w, name is not important), ppl will start to change their os into one of them. And who gets the most? End users, because developers of these OS'es wil have to struggle and make them better.

And if ever happen that ie MOS become most dominant amigaos clone, i would call it amigaos, OS4 would call just like that: OS4.

I hope that future h/w together with efika will have BOTH os'es so end users will be able to start much more s/w and tell which os is better. And then, the competition starts.

And i give much hope to aros. I see more and more s/w appearing for it, but i will install it the moment it has UAE integrated. I hope it will be soon.

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
Posted on 2-Feb-2007 15:30:50
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@Srbin

Neither by law
nor by name
but MorphOS has
an amiga soul.

But name is all what remained from our belowed computer. If you say MorphOS or AROS, I feel nothing, say amiga and I have a feeling of proud and dignity.

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
Posted on 2-Feb-2007 15:47:21
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@pavlor

ah.... so much trolling, arguing and FUD-ing on this forums, and finally some poetry. Yes, it brings nice memories when i hear or read AMIGA. The name in history that brought so much joy. Will ainc or genesi make those feelings again? Or whatever they do, amiga will be remembered as it were before?


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Search your feelings. You know it to be true.


Yes.... You are right....

The force is strong with you.... or should i say; amiga force is strong with you....




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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
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@Srbin

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IBM made OS/2.



not quite ibm & microsoft created os2.


os2 wiki

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
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@Srbin

At first: I haven't read the pages before youre post.
Quote:
Although, i don't like it, i have to use it. It is standard.

I pity you. Never heard of MacOS X and Linux (and many others)?
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And if ever happen that ie MOS become most dominant amigaos clone, i would call it amigaos, OS4 would call just like that: OS4.

*rofl* MOS is the dominant amigaos clone because there are only 2 clones on the market! The never finished AROS and MOS *lol*

AmigaOS 4 is the evolution of the original AmigaOS.
MOS and AROS are only clones.

Nothing more and nothing less.

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
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MOS and AROS are only clones.


You say that as if it were something to be wary of, something to despise. Yet, I see no reasoning about why it would be so.

Are there really still reasons to be so religiously attached to a name? To the hypothesis - because it's a mere hypothesis - of superiority of the "true source code" against the clones? Don't you just feel like a fish in a little pond shrinking under the sun? If not, why not?

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
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@falemagn

Quote:

falemagn wrote:
@cHaOs667

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MOS and AROS are only clones.


You say that as if it were something to be wary of, something to despise. Yet, I see no reasoning about why it would be so.

Are there really still reasons to be so religiously attached to a name? To the hypothesis - because it's a mere hypothesis - of superiority of the "true source code" against the clones? Don't you just feel like a fish in a little pond shrinking under the sun? If not, why not?



Reasons? ummH....well.....change AmigaOS for Windows and Morphos for lindows, do you see now the importance of a name?

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
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@falemagn

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Are there really still reasons to be so religiously attached to a name?


religious? no
legal? yes

amiga os 4 is the legal name of os4 as such nobody can legally claim to be an amiga os. you can however say an os is amiga alike or a clone tho.

religion really has nothing to do with it.

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
Posted on 2-Feb-2007 17:39:00
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@Fransexy

the exception being that lindows doesn't share much more with windows but the name, and the clones share much more but name

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
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@jkirk

I cannot claim if one's aim is to sell it...

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
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AmigaOS 4 is the evolution of the original AmigaOS.
MOS and AROS are only clones.


There is little mistake. MOS and AROS can be evolutioned versions of the original AmigaOS albeit not evolutioned from the original source code.

Oh, and there is nothing wrong in being AROS clone

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
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the exception being that lindows doesn't share much more with windows but the name, and the clones share much more but name


But is compatible throughout Wine, no far much different (on the user perspective) than quark kernel running Amiga apps in Abox on MorphOS

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
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itix wrote:
@cHaOs667

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AmigaOS 4 is the evolution of the original AmigaOS.
MOS and AROS are only clones.


There is little mistake. MOS and AROS can be evolutioned versions of the original AmigaOS albeit not evolutioned from the original source code.

Oh, and there is nothing wrong in being AROS clone


The thing is ever more complicated because all three share programs that are not part of the OS but are as essential and necessary (like MUI/Zune) that they are like if they were part of the OS and, in order to complicate the thing still more, AmigaOS and MOS have parts that are taken from AROS

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
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@jkirk

I cannot claim if one's aim is to sell it...


you cannot legally claim period. otherwise there could be an open source version of windows called windows right now. if anyone tried there would be a lawsuit so fast their head would spin whether they chose to sell the open source version or not.

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@jkirk

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jkirk wrote:
@falemagn

Quote:
Are there really still reasons to be so religiously attached to a name?


religious? no
legal? yes

amiga os 4 is the legal name of os4 as such nobody can legally claim to be an amiga os. you can however say an os is amiga alike or a clone tho.


I'd be thankful to you if you spared me and us all the "legal" melodrama. If it wasn't clear, I'll state it clearly now: I wasn't commenting on the legality of saying that something feels like an Amiga albeit not having right to the name - it's totally out of my interests to wonder about that - I was merely commenting on the condescending tone with which the OP said that AROS and MOS are "only clones".

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religion really has nothing to do with it.


Religion is about believing without having proof of what you're believing in. If you say AmigaOS4 is superior to AROS and MOS, or even just imply that, and if you're not able to explain why and give proof of that, you're being a religious fanatic and nothing else.

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
Posted on 2-Feb-2007 19:28:51
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@falemagn

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If you say AmigaOS4 is superior to AROS and MOS, or even just imply that, and if you're not able to explain why and give proof of that, you're being a religious fanatic and nothing else.


Praise Hyperion! Praise Amiga.Inc!

If you are looking for a fanatic, here I am!
We all admire (and support here) our operating systems, it isn't neccessary to call us fanatics.
AROS, MorphOS and AmigaOS have their benefits
AROS - price, availability
MorphOS - the work of the ambient team is realy wonderful
AmigaOS - superior kernel, all in one

Whitch is the best? Stupid question! If you are satisfied with MorphOS, be happy and use it! Same for OS4 and AROS. There isn't place for rivality - our market is very very small...

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Posted on 2-Feb-2007 19:41:25
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@pavlor

The question isn't whether AmigaOS is superior to MOS or AROS, it's why the original source code matters. And I'm not looking for opinions, but facts.

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
Posted on 2-Feb-2007 19:48:40
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@falemagn

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falemagn wrote:
@pavlor

The question isn't whether AmigaOS is superior to MOS or AROS, it's why the original source code matters. And I'm not looking for opinions, but facts.


Of course it doesn't. How could it? The only thing that matters is the *end result*; the functionality, the compatibility, the user experience, etc, right?

Who cares about sources?

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Who cares about sources?


cHaOs667, if I got right what he meant (and if not, I'll gladly read an explanation ), and with him many others, judging from comments I've read during the past months and years.

Last edited by falemagn on 02-Feb-2007 at 07:55 PM.

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The only thing that matters is the *end result*; the functionality, the compatibility, the user experience, etc, right?


Not only.
Tthe name (legal succession) and sources (continuity) are very important for amiga users.

I suppose that you are a MorphOS user, right? Yes it is very good OS, but who knows it outside our community? That is why you want to call MorphOS AmigaOS - this name is very valuable for you.
Sources are base for any OS. MorphOS based on Linux? Horrible image!
AmigaOS 3.1 - based on 3.0 sources = AmigaOS
AmigaOS 3.5 - based on 3.1 sources = AmigaOS
AmigaOS 3.9 - based on 3.5 sources = AmigaOS (don't forget AROS sources)
AmigaOS 4.0 - based on 3.9 sources = AmigaOS?
MorphOS - based on its own sources = AmigaOS?

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