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meet.mrnrg wrote: @Zylesea Now Now... Play fair. Its a saga, not a wave your wand a presto, episode. An no Genie in a bottle either here! Perhaps you can plan all these other thing, if you know what you're talking about. Also explain how LimeOS is currently working on the system? If you know about PowerVR documentation then how do you explain LimePC the company got the information? I expect some decency and courtesy - as per the Terms of Service on this forum. We've had enough yelling and clowning around to last a few weeks.

I think the point Zylesea is trying to ultimately make is that since you are the one trying to make sales here that the burden is on you to know your product, especially when there is a technical issue brought up by your potential customers that deserves an answer.

And the question has been repeated a number of times about the 5121. If you don't have the info to give a substantive answer I think you'll get a lot more respect if you are just upfront about that.

Look at it this way, use these questions as a test of how good your relationship with Tsinghua Tongfang Co.Ltd is. Forward these issues to them. See if you even like the answers first. Your audience here, which is the audience you claim to want to cater to is interested in Amiga OS capability of some sort. Maybe LimeOS can deal with the hardware limitation better. But even if so, who cares, if Amiga OS won't. And beyond that, remember, the public has no exposure to LimeOS. We have nothing to reference except a couple of CES videos to have any good idea of how LimeOS runs on the hardware.

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- Visit any local PC store and check out how much they know about internal frequencies - maybe they send you to on a wild goose chase, by just transferring you from one department to another - and then - back again to the first person!

Different market. You came here looking to market to Amiga Developers. They are going to ask you more technical questions then the average PC shopper looking for a Windows box to do email and surf the web. If you don't want to know the details under the hood, then get into the local PC store business. But if you want to sell specialty hardware for a niche operating system family you won't be allowed to get away with such excuses from your potential customers. Its just not going to happen.

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@ferrels

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That's clever humor - but in all honesty they have to do a lot of translating from Chinese to English.

Look like the original so called team that has been and gone well before 2009 CES launch of proposed LimeBook Notebook - didn't do much documentation. But that's the norm in the industry.

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@fairlanefastback

-- Is this a for-loop or a do-while loop? There's some pattern to wanting everything all at once - on a silver platter! I have other projects and business people to deal with also. TIME OUT for while!

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meet.mrnrg wrote: @fairlanefastback -- Is this a for-loop or a do-while loop? There's some pattern to wanting everything all at once - on a silver platter! I have other projects and business people to deal with also. TIME OUT for while!

There is an old saying:

"The customer is always right".

Your customers have spoken. If you don't get the info they want, you don't get the money you want. The news of your auction has made it around the world now, to news sites in the U.S., U.K., Russia, etc. And still you have not sold a single unit.

This should tell you a couple of things. Amiga developers (and savy users) have concerns about the platform from a hardware perspective.

And everyone, Amiga users, Amiga Developers, netbook lovers, gadget lovers, etc all think its too expensive.

If that was not the case your two units would have been sold already.

Food for thought.

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@fairlanefastback

System.out.println("NumberOfTimesSameThingHasBeenRepeated: " + (BigInt)idx);
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I hear you... And I also know a lot of people have been on the other end of customers blasting, them. To the point where it's almost harassment

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Bed goes up - Bed Goes Down x 10 - have you seen that Simpson's episode

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System.out.println("NumberOfTimesSameThingHasBeenRepeated: " + (BigInt)idx);

Next, you'll be selling 500 USD CDs with OpenJDK for Linux hoping some Amiga developer will port it to Amiga OS.

What was the point of your thread again?

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@meet.mrnrg

You are quoting again without providing the source of the quotes.



(I take it the second quote is in regard to a Simpsons episode (not Simmons)).

But no idea where the first quote is from.

Oh well.

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@Trev

It's about time Sun MicroSystems - Made some more money ha!
To survive one can't always give away products for free, always hoping to make some sales in - the support, consulting and training areas.

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Sun wouldn't be making any money off sales of OpenJDK.

There's nothing wrong with making a reasonable profit. It's how you go about it that's important.

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meet.mrnrg wrote: @Zylesea Now Now... Play fair. Its a saga, not a wave your wand a presto, episode. An no Genie in a bottle either here! Perhaps you can plan all these other thing, if you know what you're talking about. Also explain how LimeOS is currently working on the system? If you know about PowerVR documentation then how do you explain LimePC the company got the information? I expect some decency and courtesy - as per the Terms of Service on this forum. We've had enough yelling and clowning around to last a few weeks. Quote: Well, I am still convinced you don't have the slightest clue about the hardware you want to sell/promote. - Visit any local PC store and check out how much they know about internal frequencies - maybe they send you to on a wild goose chase, by just transferring you from one department to another - and then - back again to the first person!

These retail shops sells non-engineering release laptops and they are well known e.g. "Intel Centrino" brand.

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fairlanefastback wrote: @Trixie Quote: Trixie wrote: This thread is not over yet? When will they ever learn? Hey I tried to make an AROS Asus Netbook thread to be a better replacement, and it died after like ten posts!

ASUS EeePC is not an unknown netbook.

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fairlanefastback wrote: @all This LimePC stuff just gets wackier and wackier: http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/161855.shtml http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/161856.shtml http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?post_id=62976&topic_id=6196&forum=11

Note that Velcro_SP and Neko also posting BS about ASUS EeePC.

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@All

Some delivery time frames have been optimized, by using 8GB SSD drive in the basic configuration. This was suggested by some of the people in the AW forum.

Down Side == Smaller SSD == Less storage space - we recommend you buy your own external USB HD drives instead of opening up your systems, which may void your 30 day replacement warranty.

Upside == Cheaper basic configuration
Upside == 1 Year basic manufacturers warranty

NOTE: 16GB & 32GB pricing will take longer to deliver and will cost and additional amount of money, as it's currently low volume production and requires manual replacement of drive + (re-testing for Q/C) to ensure the system & drive both still work.

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item=160325770518 - contains specification and pricing changes to avoid confusion in forum discussions, when quoting prices.

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Hammer wrote: @fairlanefastback ASUS EeePC is not an unknown netbook.

Yes I know. My point, in who I was replying to, was that a "positive" thread about a netbook the community could actually usefully use unfortunately seems to be a less popular subject.

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Hammer wrote: @fairlanefastback Quote: fairlanefastback wrote: @all This LimePC stuff just gets wackier and wackier: http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/161855.shtml http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/161856.shtml http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?post_id=62976&topic_id=6196&forum=11 Note that Velcro_SP and Neko also posting BS about ASUS EeePC.

What BS did they post about Limebook?

What I saw from the links that most caught my attention was this Jack Campbell guy. If he really was involved with the creation of Limebook, I find that creepy, given how he describes himself on his own webpage. And it does not help with what BBRV shared on Morphzone about working with him.

Frankly I hardly even took note of what Velcro_SP or Neko had to say.

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I see you took $60 off the price. You sure thats all you can reasonably take off?

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fairlanefastback wrote: @meet.mrnrg Quote: NOTE: item=160325770518 - contains specification and pricing changes to avoid confusion in forum discussions, when quoting prices. I see you took $60 off the price. You sure thats all you can reasonably take off?

I suspect that even if he take off $500 of the price you will continue complaining (with anything else)

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As efficient as the Atom N270 is (at 1.3-1.6Ghz the specs say 2W-4W) it is always coupled with the Intel 945GC/945GM northbridge, which has specs topping 25W in use. You cannot use the Atom without that bridge, and Intel are not moving Atom to the "integrated northbridge" model

Intel "Pineview" is an Atom based SOC i.e. it includes a single-channel DDR2 memory controller and an integrated graphics core.

Trust PPC campers getting Intel’s road map wrong.

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they are pushing for their new high end quad-core chips (possibly because it would increase the die size way past their target, and die size directly impacts cost).

Intel has the advantages of economic of scale and process technology.


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Then of course on any design, you have to add RAM power costs; this can be anything from 3W to 10W depending on how much you have. Compare an equivalent PowerPC - the MPC8610 or MPC8640D at the lower clock rates - and you are looking at chips which do all the Atom and 945 combination do, in a single chip package. This makes layout easier, which makes PCBs easier to design and smaller, and of course even the dual-core PowerPC chip uses less power with zero power management than the Atom and 945. Of course the MPC5121e does better, but it's nowhere near as good as CherryPal say it is. Not by a long shot. To contrast the i.MX515 uses a lot less than the MPC5121e plus it has highly aggressive power management as all ARM chips do.

The context was;
1. MX515 is a netbook(processor).
2. Intel 945GC/945GM northbridge = 25watts
3. "all the Atom and 945 combination"

Neko's generalisation would fail for ASUS EeePC i.e. it doesn't use 945GC/945GM and MX515 is a netbook (processor).

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Here is a test results thread where the tester says his Atom 230 plus 945 GCLF chipset consumes 44 watts. Not very efficient at all. I know the Atom N270 is better but like you say, Neko, the biggest problem is the 945 chipset. I had the CherryPal logged onto IRC for about 11 days. It just runs and runs and runs. I think it could do equally well running a webserver or filesharing client though I know those activities would stress it more.

Biggest problem is between the chair and keyboard i.e. ASUS EeePC(in reference to Neko's cited MX515 netbook and silentpcreview.com link(1)) uses 945GSE (Calistoga) Express chipset or Intel 910GML (Alviso-GM) chipset.

1. http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=48431&highlight=atom

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rvalencia, are you talking about me or the tester whose report I linked? Maybe the problem is sitting in your chair, either way. You signed up for MZ to post that? Not doubting them, but how about some URLs to go with your assertions?

I then posted "Mobile Intel 945GSE Express Chipset"
http://ark.intel.com/chipset.aspx?familyID=35553

Note the "Max TDP 6 Watts"
Ordering items
1. 82945GSE Graphics and Memory Controller Hub (GMCH) FCBGA998 A3 6 Watts
2. 82801GBM I/O Controller Hub (ICH7M) PBGA652 B1 3.3 Watts
Total: 9.3Watts

It’s a simple google search.

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We were talking about watts in net-tops.

MX515 is a netbook(processor), hence ASUS EeePC.
Refer to http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=i.MX515

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Fransexy wrote: @fairlanefastback I suspect that even if he take off $500 of the price you will continue complaining (with anything else)

Joking aside, I would suspect that he could possibly find two netbook/gadget fanatics to buy them around $350 or less. Given the fact that they are otherwise not available outside of China as I understand it and they do supposedly have a bit higher specs then previous announcements. That said, I don't think he'll even make a sale at that price until he posts pictures proving they are in his possession. With the stock photos it looks like a scam auction to anyone who is ebay savvy. (Before anyone gets upset, I am not saying it is a scam, just that when you have low feedback and you are selling something that it would be questionable if anyone would have in their possession its just normal practice to post pictures that prove you indeed have the item).

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I suspect that even if he take off $500 of the price you will continue complaining (with anything else)

TRUE! I've seen it over and over again, and not only here! Pumping petrol prices and having to do price changes just as someone pulls up lead to 2 outcomes;
Looks / Re-Actions / Tone & Attitude!
1) Total disgust cause they have to pay another 2-4c
2) Sheer disbelief that they are so lucky to pull up at the right time, defeating the system against all odds and saving 2-4c.

Sorry I couldn't help but remember how I was hated and loved all in the same week!

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