Could Anubis developers possibly say something about Anubis, i.e. what they are intending to make with this OS? I'm a bit interested...partly because it's being done by people coming from those that did AROS.

Thank you in advance if you do.

e.g.

timescale

how is it connected with AROS?

X11: will this be a decent graphics system how you use it?

architectures? I saw ARM mentioned somewhere

anything else

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Hi, I'm not one of the devs but I've been keeping a loose eye on the website since it was announced, should be some info there for you.

It's an Amiga inspired OS, not based on OS 3.1 API's, apparently and aims to take advantage of the fact that there are plenty of drivers available in the Linux world.

Also, read this

X11 is used for graphics display, etc, throughout the Unix world.

Hope this helps a little.

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Anubis will have a filesystem that is Amiga-like rather than the rat-maze of directories that have everything helter-skelter and unmovable. It will only be possible to recompile Linux code if it contains a load of symbolic links within the filesystem to redirect things from their old Unix-style locations to the new Amiga-like locations. GoboLinux has already done this in the past so it is plausible.

As far as making things AROS-like, I think they'll try to reuse as much code as they can from AROS. It will still be a Linux distro though.

Keep in mind that most Linux code is bloated by many library dependencies so by keeping the number and type of libraries installed on Anubis to a minimum will take some serious discipline.

re: architectures

It will support all processor architectures that Linux supports. One thing that Dr. Michael Schulz told me on IRC was that he likes the LLVM compiler infrastructure. I discussed a few specifics about cross-architecture portability and it seems to be one of the goals of the team.

According to the FAQ on the LLVM page, C/C++ code cannot be used to generate cross-platform LLVM bitcode files because the platform specifics are usually defined in preprocessor macros rather than letting the dead-code eliminator deal with conventional if-then-else clauses. Also, on most C/C++ compilers the sizeof and offsetof operators are treated as macros rather than functions.

For these reasons and others, I suspect they will stick to Objective C as their programming language of choice unless something more portable comes along.

Hm, I don't get. What they want to do, is already invented. It's called FreeBSD. Just put Enlightenment on it, plus UAE, a nice Amiga wallpaper and ready.

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Hm, I don't get. What they want to do, is already invented. It's called FreeBSD. Just put Enlightenment on it, plus UAE, a nice Amiga wallpaper and ready.

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How is that even similar to what they want to achieve?

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Personally I'm very excited about the concept of this project. Having the driver side stuff already addressed is HUGE in my book. I hope they can get an alpha out sooner rather than later. And I'd love to see a bounty system for this as soon as that happens.

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I can only think that Anubis is the new kid on the block and a serious contender because of the hardware. If the team can make AROS but with linux kernel (the project at sourceforge is named ARIX) eventually could seriouly damage the other porjects. Imagine the benefits of an AROS/Amiga like OS running on every hardware.

This only could be good things

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emavys wrote: I can only think that Anubis is the new kid on the block and a serious contender because of the hardware. If the team can make AROS but with linux kernel (the project at sourceforge is named ARIX) eventually could seriouly damage the other porjects. Imagine the benefits of an AROS/Amiga like OS running on every hardware. This only could be good things

That would be awesome. (minus the damage the other projects bit)

I think the biggest question is do they have enough folks to pull it off in a reasonable amount of time.

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@Al4

It proves that there is still a huge interest in alternative OSes, and Anubis shares a lot of similarites to AmigaOS in concept when being small, smooth, efficienty and user-friendly..

Looks like Windows is no longer the best solution to an OS. Most used, yes, but the best choice? Not really...

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Website looks professional... has an Amiga class about it... I will follow Anubis too! Just bookmarked the site :)

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DrZarkov wrote: Hm, I don't get. What they want to do, is already invented. It's called FreeBSD. Just put Enlightenment on it, plus UAE, a nice Amiga wallpaper and ready.

No !

There is already something like 'AROS Linux hosted' but AmigaOS has a lot of limitations according to memory protection and SMP. It is not possible to use SMP in AROS because AROS is limited to the old AOS3 APIs, this APIs where written for a single user system with shared memory and without any MMU.

Anubis should be a Amiga like system with modern APIs, it will not use shared memory, it will be possible to use SMP on modern multicore systems under Anubis.

Instead of a windows manager on X11 Anubis should have an Amiga like GUI, with direct access to the framebuffer device ( or similar ), responsivness to GUI events will be as fast as we know it from the Amiga and not like it is on a Linux system.

The filesystem ? That would not be ambicious there are allready existing Amiga filesystems for Linux ...

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From my understanding Anubis will be something like an AROS-NG, what we don't know is how compatible the new APIs will be to the Amiga.

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> what we don't know is how compatible the new APIs will be to the Amiga.


And that is exactly the point! What do they want? There is AROS, there is ARIX, there was Amithlon and there is (was?) xAmiga. Amitlhon and xAmiga are just a Linux Kernel with some basics to start an emulator, mostly basing on UAE. That is currently the only way to get compatibility on a foreign hardware without recompiling any software. Which leads us to AROS or AmigaOS 4.x. Both are more or less new OSses, basing on the old ideas (Aros) or sources (AmigaOS 4.x).

So Anubis wants to use a Linux Kernel and build up everything around it with Amiga look & feel? Hm, even that is already done, using a Quark Kernel instead of the Linux kernel, it's called Morphos. So Anubis wants to go in that direction, but for x86 hardware? Good idea. But what I read at the homepage it just sounds like an improved Linux (that's why I say FreeBSD, it has the cleaner structure, which is more like you would expect in a modern AmigaOS, that's why the "underground" of MacOS X is from FreeBSD). So it's just the windowing system? That's why I suggested Enlightenment (not for the first time, remember the good old day with Jim Collas? In that time Enlightenment was in discussion, too). You can easily reach an Amiga look & feel. X Windows is an advantage, everybody would like to see modern applications like Firefox or Open Office running native on an Amiga. And compatibility with classic Amiga? There is only one way to reach it, that is UAE. If you do it the "AROS-way" of just recompiling the old software, you still have the disadvantages of missing memory protection. So what do they really want? Just a better looking Linux for ex-Amigans or a new OS like an "Open Source Morphos for x86"? The homepage is nice looking, but does not provide much information.

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I thought the web page did say that they were going to use GnuStep as the basis for the GUI of Anubis rather than Enlightenment. Also that means that Objective C will be used as their programming environment. While FreeBSD can recompile 98% of their Kernal in Clang and use Clang as their development compiler and Clang supports Objective C, that doesn't mean that it will work any better than Linux. Only time will tell however.

If you guys haven't read the milestone, it has the most information right now.

http://anubis-os.org/milestone-r1-in-brief

This will not be a Linux distribution. Anubis will only use the Linux kernel and will build from there. It will be an Amiga-like OS.

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i hope it's not based on Basic language.

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why don't call it: AMIX?

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I think you forgot to put a smiley on there, AmigaBlitter. AMIX was bundled with the Amiga 3000UX and was a version of Unix for it.

ARIX reflects the AROS roots better anyway. (That is the codename on the SourceForge project.)