@persia

Ah something I can agree with Persia on 100%. Well put sir, couldn't have put it better myself if I tried.

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But Barry why must you even fight in this arena? What's the point, most of us won't ever be your customers, you aren't going to win us over, so why bother? You are selling novelty items, computers in a keyboard which you mis-label as "all in ones." They are meant to grab peoples attention because they look different. They look vaguely like something that people remember from the past. So if they are cheap enough people will buy them as a novelty. But we aren't novelty buyers, we're retro enthusiasts, we aren't looking for a netbook motherboard in retro style case, we're looking for an old machine in whatever case. To us it's the machine that matters. ####ing us off accomplishes nothing unless you are someone who enjoys ####ing people off. I'm not saying that there isn't a novelty market, people buy all sorts of faux retro stuff all the time. The shops are full of it. There is a place for kitsch, but unfortunately it's not here. AW.net is a place that takes old stuff seriously. You wouldn't go to a group of antique collectors with plastic replicas, you don't come to us with novelty netbook motherboards in a retro case. Why is that so hard to understand? You don't need us and we don't need you. Both of us can be quite happy pretending the other doesn't exist....

I can't argue with you on that one.

@persia

There ya go. +1

I was typing while you were posting. As follows.

Good heavens!

Has anybody here expressed a desire that C=USA completely fail?
If so 'I' missed it.

c=usa is going to do whatever they are going to do. This community is just not about their
product, their plans, their company, their people. Don't believe me? Just look at the forum
names.

If you don't like the way this matured website is set up, and for who it exists. Send a note to
those that can change it. Or better yet use it as an example to set up a c=usa site.

If Leo wants to post messages about the progress of the project he is involved in,,,OK. Just
do it in a way that does not seem 'in your face'.

I do not come here, to this community, because of C=usa, the amiga name, legal agreements,
future non OS4 products, Xbox games, or brownie recipes (though I may try it if it looks
interesting).

I don't know how to explain exactly how all this c=usa stuff appears to me. It would be like
going to Amiwest and the whole show is about the play station 2.

Perhaps it is my ambivalence that is regarded as dislike or hatred? It just doesn't belong
here as it does not fit into why this site exists. IMHO.

Shoot Me! (sheesh)

@Rob

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Rob wrote: @marko Quote: Then why not take 1 or 2 million USD from these original 30 for ads and port OS4 to x86/x64, then everything would be so much simpler... It would make more sense to use the money to take existing PowerPC hardware to mass production levels, they'd at least stand a better chance of recouping the millions.

Im not an expert in this area - but I'm tipping that 1-2 million isnt going to bring PPC up to anywhere near mass production levels. Im tipping 30 mil isnt enough...

Then there is the out of date OS which would cost a fortune to catch up to windows/mac os...

There is also zero demand. If you manufactured half a million ppc machines with its out of date amiga OS, who is going to buy them? Clinging to PPC is insanity. Yes your insane.

It makes no sense, not more sense...

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@eniacfoa

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Then there is the out of date OS which would cost a fortune to catch up to windows/mac os...

OS4 is a hobby OS, it is not now or ever was in competition with windows or osx. Read that 10 times if you have too until it sinks in.

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There is also zero demand. If you manufactured half a million ppc machines with its out of date amiga OS,

Again, the Sams & the new x1000s are for those that enjoy their hobby & are not intended to compete with modern day pc systems. NG Amigas were never intended to replace business office pc's. This has been said many times by the OS4 developers, why ppl ignore this fact is beyond me.

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Yes your insane.

I see you looked in the mirror, but aren't we all?

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@eniacfoa

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t makes no sense, not more sense...

But only in your world - it must not be this way in other peoples worlds, where they do not handle fantastillions as a measurement base for being "sensefull"...

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@Mechanic

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I do not come here, to this community, because of C=usa, the amiga name, legal agreements, future non OS4 products, Xbox games, or brownie recipes (though I may try it if it looks interesting).

Fair enough. Personally, I could be interested in discussing an Xbox game if we're talking about a remake of Alien Breed or Speedball. Definitely interested if someone's doing an Amiga500 style case.

As for the brownies, what if they were shaped as a ball, checkered in red (strawberry) and white (vanilla cream), wouldn't that make them Amiga related?

In the end the moderators decide the content, and you decide whether to continue visiting or not.

@persia

Do you know what a netbook motherboard is? Please share your vast knowledge of motherboards, and clue us all in about how you came to the incorrect conclusion (like most of your off base comments) that we use ANY netbook components? Unless, of course, you have a netbook that is 2" high. Why would you even waste your energy to make such a comment, without even looking at the specs. GEEEZ.

@fairlanefastback

Just to ask, is the result of this poll that NOW (and in the future) all CBM USA Amiga related stuff will be treated as off topic (and thus maybe rewarded with warnings and moderations). 52% saids its off topic, 4% said something else (like I say "they should create their own forums), some 16% is for general forums and minority to let it go.

Mind that this is all at the announcement level, not demonstrated ever, so at this point is matter of propaganda approach.

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@digitex
Did you not understand Persia's message, I thought it was pretty clear.

@Persia
+1

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+1

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@number6

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number6 wrote: @Mechanic Quote: To:DaveyD, _steve_ , Sibbi, Mark, All Moderators, site developers; @_Steve_ Let me correct Mechanic's post for you. He's basically asking you to sit down and discuss this with yourself. Heh. #6

Sorry, I am a bit behind on this thread at the minute (election preparations tend to do that - with the silly thing taking place tomorrow). Isn't that the first sign of madness though?

@Mechanic

Again the points you are making all relate to the page when it was created back in 2000-2002. There never would have been any confusion over calling something an Amiga then, as there was only one (in various models). The newly licensed "Amiga" machines being proposed by Commodore USA really only have one thing in common with a Commodore (CBM) Amiga - the name.

I have nothing against their machines being discussed in the relevant area (so far the consensus would be in General Technology) because by their own admission, the machines will be running a variation of linux.

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@persia

+1

What happens when someone has enough money, bravery and evilness to buy and exploit famous
trademarks?

Now, they announced 30 million campaign (nice for them, just waiting to see how they will raise and refund that money), started using couple AW members to promote it, and told AROS dudes they will not developed AROS or give them any contribs

http://www.lamerexterminator.com/tag/commodore-usa/

And they wish to sue OS news for presenting the truth
http://www.osnews.com/story/23753/Commodore_Gets_Rights_to_Amiga_Hyperion_Takes_Legal_Action

http://www.osnews.com/story/23756/Commodore_USA_Threatens_OSNews_with_Legal_Action

Uhhh .... it was last and sad action by Amiga Inc.

Now, both Commodore and Amiga is in exploatation genre!

What is interesting in this new soap opera
are claims its legitimate Amiga (by Aussie and friends)

as well as new CBM USA pages where "Amiga" will be presented, but are clear of any design, history or links
http://www.commodoreusa.net/Amiga.html

But at home page (using Amiga dream design without authors contact or clear
permission)
http://www.commodoreusa.net/Home.html

and OS page no longer mentions even AROS
http://www.commodoreusa.net/os.html

But makes a very funny statement,
All Commodore and Amiga computers fully support Ubuntu and Windows operating systems.

Think it next time when you turn on Commodore 128D
or A1200HD, if you can. They can do it now!

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@_Steve_

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I have nothing against their machines being discussed in the relevant area (so far the consensus would be in General Technology) because by their own admission, the machines will be running a variation of linux.

Is it possable then to take General Technology posts off the front page. Like others, I have nothing aganst the company, but its not os4 related.

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@number6

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Maybe they will offer their own support staff for such new forums? How would AW view such an offer? How much traffic is AW getting presently vs Commodore USA? It makes one think. #6

It is certainly something that can be considered, and potentially could be set up in a similar fashion to when Eyetech maintained support in the AmigaOne forum.

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What happens when someone has enough money, bravery and evilness to buy and exploit famous trademarks?

what happens when someone has enough time, persistence and bitterness to troll on these forums?

@sundown

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s it possable then to take General Technology posts off the front page. Like others, I have nothing aganst the company, but its not os4 related.

so now this is OS4world.net?

Be at peace, the x86 Amigans will, I believe, be migrating to a new community site in due time.

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@fairlanefastback

I favored 'virus', but I guess AltOS will have to do...

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@WolfToTheMoon

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so now this is OS4world.net?

Always has been, some of us have been here a lot longer then you. Nothing personal, just a fact.

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@persia

You wouldn't go to a group of antique collectors with plastic replicas, you don't come to us with novelty netbook motherboards in a retro case. Why is that so hard to understand? You don't need us and we don't need you. Both of us can be quite happy pretending the other doesn't exist....
A nice repartee! That sums it up about right...

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@sundown

That is not my understanding of this site... if we were having this discussion at amigans.net, you'd be 100% right. However, this site is labeled amigaworld and thus should be, I repeat should be, opened to all amiga flavors.

However, seeing that some members here have a problem with x86 amigas and they do not seem to be willing to compromise, the simplest solution will be a new dedicated x86 Commodore Amiga community site for those wanting to have a constructive debate and fun with their new commodore and amiga computers. The new C64x is right around the corner, so it will be done soon, hopefully

I do also plea C=USA that they, if that community site comes to life, support it and link to it from their website so that their customers do not get "abused" if they register here. It's sad that yet another fraction will be created in the amiga community, but it seems we cannot be together in peace just yet.

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