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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 16:56:44
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A-EON was responsible development of drivers.


For the record:

Hyperion are fully responsible for the X1000 drivers in agreement with A-EON Technology CVBA. A-EON had to privately finance the development of the RadeonHD driver or there would have been no graphics driver at all for the X1000 at launch. This has led to A-EON now acquiring the driver and continuing development. A-EON was primarily setup as a hardware producer but it has been necessary to diverge into software development to meet the needs of the customers in a reasonable timely timeframe.

A-EON Technology Ltd is responsible and finances later OS4 driver development on X5000 and A1222.

A-EON Technology Ltd produced and financed manufacturing of later batches of X1000 boards in 2012/13.


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These things were promised as parts of the X1000's feature set


Indeed, the RadeonHD v1.7 driver was given away free of charge to all X1000 customers by A-EON. The SB600 sound driver, CF driver and SATA driver were completed and provided to X1000 customers too. The Ethernet driver is the only item outstanding from Hyperion's contractor in terms of drivers.

SMP and Gallium were talked about by Hyperion representatives over many years.

Enhancer Software including Warp3D Nova had to be financed and developed by A-EON contractors to meet the needs of customers now. X5000 systems are being bundled with Enhancer Software to provide customers with modern software that is regularly updated and supported.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 16:56:59
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Yes, but just wont point out way things might not be ready when it sent out, sure I wont mind a Ethernet driver, do need it no.

What I do wont is what I don't have: SMP from Hyperion I'm waiting for that, maybe you have information on how that going, there was not lot information about form Amiwest this year.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 17:00:38
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Thanks that clear things up a bit.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 17:11:03
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You either stick to mentioning the licensor as the responsible company


Wrong analogy. Hyperion has AmigaOne license from Amiga.Inc (like Eyetech had). Hierarchy of history sections is right, I think.

Quote:
And while we're at it: The article should obviously mention negative things as well - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan site.


If you have "reliable source" for these informations, feel free to add them to the article.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 17:16:28
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OR?! Right, Eyetech was licensed to use "Amiga" as well as "AmigaOne" and therefore choose the less recognizable brand by choice. Are you kidding me?!


Well, that is outcome of Wiki editing by non-native speakers... Meaning should be either, or.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 17:23:31
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@cgutjahr

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Excluding facts from an Encyclopedia because you feel "it's not a big problem" is not the way to go.


From the X1000 article:

The Inquirer criticized its very high price, comparing the X1000 to a golden chocolate teapot with Amiga fanatics as the target market.[16] Amiga Future magazine also mentioned high price along with lack of drivers as main weak points of the fastest hardware available for AmigaOS 4.[17]


Wikipedia is based on concept of "reliable sources" (RS). Both sources used in the example above are RS in Wikipedia sense. However, blogs, forum posts and other self published sources aren´t RS for Wikipedia. Any strong claim requires good source, if you have something like that for original AmigaOne problems, I will gladly use it.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 17:23:49
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@pavlor

'twas only an example of course. The reasons for Eyetech's demise has been expressed in many different ways as well. I could go on, but there's no point.

My only point was in who tells the history.
In that vein the companies like Amigakit and A-Eon who obviously have information they wish to share to clarify the facts (see above) need to be their own story tellers.
It's either that OR accept they will have their history written by others and posted as footnotes in non-related wikis.

In addition, doing it this ^ way should satisfy your "reliable source" criteria as well.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 17:30:28
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Indeed, the RadeonHD v1.7 driver was given away free of charge to all X1000 customers by A-EON.

The Radeon card delivered with the X1000 had an Evergreen chipset, IIRC - and there is still no 3D driver for this chipset. Also, video playback of anything with a bigger resolution than a stamp requires the non-free v2 driver, IIRC.

Quote:

Hyperion representatives

Your marketing clearly promised a free copy of 4.2 as soon as it was released. You can point your fingers at Hyperion all you want - your customers made a deal with you, not with Hyperion.

And the entire "evil Hyperion scammed our customers" defence collapses the second you announce a cooperation with Hyperion on another computer, and then another one...

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 17:38:39
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Problem is, when company talks about its own history it is not "reliable source" in Wikipedia sense... If someone not associated with the company wrote article about it in published magazine (with professional staff, solid publisher and broad circulation) that would be RS.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 17:39:19
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@pavlor

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Wikipedia is based on concept of "reliable sources" (RS). Both sources used in the example above are RS in Wikipedia sense. However, blogs, forum posts and other self published sources aren´t RS for Wikipedia. Any strong claim requires good source, if you have something like that for original AmigaOne problems, I will gladly use it.


http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2005-01-00055-DE.html
http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2004-10-00019-DE.html
http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2006-04-00046-DE.html

It's German only, but it's only a summary of the stuff mentioned in the links to ANN and AW.

(and yes, AN is considered a reliable source by Wikipedia standards)

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if you have something like that for original AmigaOne problems

Why only the original AmigaOne?

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 17:41:01
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@pavlor

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Wikipedia is based on concept of "reliable sources" (RS). Both sources used in the example above are RS in Wikipedia sense. However, blogs, forum posts and other self published sources aren´t RS for Wikipedia.



So forum admittances of issues by those working on said issues don't count?
Links I give to actual filings and lawsuits don't count because they come from a forum?
Letters from companies posted in a forum don't count because they were posted in a forum?

Mai Logic- any valid contact info?

Please read the above as one of a myriad of examples and tell me nothing in ^ that thread is valid re:problems.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 17:45:34
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@cgutjahr

Thanks. AN is good for basic factography (excellent in case of positive news about OS4 or Hyperion - I´m sure these are fact-checked multiple times ). Some may say news items written by you are biased against OS4/AmigaOne, but I don´t see this as a big problem for simple phrase I write right now for the article. Thanks again!

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 17:49:14
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So forum


Exactly, nothing of this kind is RS. Lawsuit would work if there was some outcome (judgement stating that and that) - then court document is the source, not forum post. Anynone can write anything on forum, that is why it is not RS by definition.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 18:01:44
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@pavlor

If you read most of the posts in the thread I linked to you should get the impression that we HAVE the docs from MAI describing the issues. You should also know from reading whom to contact to get those documents.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 18:06:30
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@number6

That would be "original research" (OR) in Wikipedia language... something prohibited when writing an article. Sources posted by CG are fine, AmigaOne hardware issues added to the article.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 18:12:03
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@cgutjahr

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The Radeon card delivered with the X1000 had an Evergreen chipset, IIRC - and there is still no 3D driver for this chipset. Also, video playback of anything with a bigger resolution than a stamp requires the non-free v2 driver, IIRC.


V2 driver is not needed for that, unless you use Composited Accelerated video feature. Emotion users will testify to that. X1000 customers had a special upgrade offer price to V2 at the time. The revenue from V1 paid for some of the development costs of V2 (project still not broken even). Some of the Enhancer Software revenue is now being reinvested for RadeonHD V3 driver.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 18:13:25
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@pavlor

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Some may say news items written by you are biased against OS4/AmigaOne,

If "some" means "Pavlor and Eliyahu", then yes

Again: Why only issues with the original AmigaOne? Here's ACube announcing the availabilty of backplates 2.5 years after the Sam went on sale:

http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news&id=64

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 18:15:12
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@amigakit

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V2 driver is not needed for that, unless you use Composited Accelerated video feature.

Anybody planning to watch videos will want to use that.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 18:22:32
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@cgutjahr

Well, hard to believe but I met even bigger fans than myself on Wikipedia, who evidently thought my edits were biased against Hyperion.

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Here's ACube announcing the availabilty of backplates 2.5 years after the Sam went on sale:


In comparison to AmigaOne SE/XE problems this is rather minor issue.

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Re: AmigaOne articles on Wikipedia vandalised
Posted on 26-Nov-2017 18:41:20
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@pavlor

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In comparison to AmigaOne SE/XE problems this is rather minor issue


tsk, tsk. Don't forget the Micro.

chock full of unreliable sources

(evil grin)

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