@sundown

Outdated as far as hardware performance in regard to pricing.

For 3K, a person could get an iMac (which is also a bit overpriced), a PC desktop and a laptop. And probably have money leftover to buy a 32" LCD TV, as well.

Prices have come down a ton for most hardware, so yeah, it may not be outdated as far as running OS4, but it's using prices from 10 years ago.

Hence the outdated comment.

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Fair points, but based on the arguing I see in this forum over platforms, I'm not sure it's something everyone here already knows.

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Or if they do, they just choose to ignore it, in order to argue for the sake of arguing.

Bingo!

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@Nameless

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For 3K, a person could get an iMac (which is also a bit overpriced), a PC desktop and a laptop. And probably have money leftover to buy a 32" LCD TV, as well.

Agreed, but they don't run OS4, you need to remember that little detail.

I don't like the high price of any Amiga I've bought or will buy, but I enjoy the OS much more then any other OS out there. My micro, on the other hand, is outdated & under powered, but its given me 6 yrs of pleasure so far. A new system with a nice gfx bd will just be so much better.

I don't expect an outside observer to really understand how some of us feel, we may appear crazy for spending a lot of money for our toys, but thats what we do.

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sundown wrote: we may appear crazy for spending a lot of money for our toys, but thats what we do.

Hey!

I resemble that remark!

@sundown

I do understand. Sometimes it's worth paying more for things you like, even if the prices seem insane to others.

An example: which will seem cheap to you, but not to the majority of people outside of this community.

Although I still have my original A500, I sold my A1200 when Commodore went bust. I got a good price, but always felt sort of bad I sold it. So several years ago I bought a 'like-new' Escom A1200 on Ebay for $200.

Now $200 will seem dirt cheap to everyone here, but to friends and family they thought it was a waste of money. Why spend $200 on an old machine, when for $400 you can get a new PC?

But to me, it was worth it. And to you, 3K for an X1000 is worth it. No right or wrong here, just what something is worth to an individual.

But as I stated earlier, in the 'buying in' post, there is a limit as to what most people will be willing to spend. And if appealing at all to users outside of forums like this, 3K is way over that limit. So... yes, there will be a group of people who will be willing to spend several thousand for an X1000, but not nearly enough to expand the market to a point where it'll spur on new software development. And that is the underlying problem to me when hardware is so high priced.

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sundown wrote: ... I don't expect an outside observer to really understand how some of us feel, we may appear crazy for spending a lot of money for our toys, but thats what we do.

hey it's all relative....you should see the money some of my buddies spend on restoring old cars ! ..what's crazy about running your favourite OS on uber cool hardware anyway

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Nameless wrote: For 3K, a person could get an iMac (which is also a bit overpriced), a PC desktop and a laptop. And probably have money leftover to buy a 32" LCD TV, as well.

iMac, PC, laptop, and a TV?

Just get into Amiga the way we do and you won't need the other four. Especially the TV.

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But as I stated earlier, in the 'buying in' post, there is a limit as to what most people will be willing to spend. And if appealing at all to users outside of forums like this, 3K is way over that limit. So... yes, there will be a group of people who will be willing to spend several thousand for an X1000, but not nearly enough to expand the market to a point where it'll spur on new software development. And that is the underlying problem to me when hardware is so high priced.

Catch 22, we need exciting s/w to bring in new ppl & that takes a more powerfull system like the x1000. I can tell you, alot of the os4 developers & s/w coders will get the x1000 & thats good news. The x1000 is more of a gift for those of us who have always asked for a high end Amiga system. It would be great if it sold better then intended & I hope it does. You also need to remember that most of the os4 developers are coding on their own time, so it will remain a hobby system until that changes.

Acube, on the other hand is doing a lot of good things to get the price of their systems down, but again, small builds will always cost more.

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@Nameless

I agree with your post, thank you for this post and the effort made in taking the situation a packaging it in a concise summary format...

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Argg another C=USA thread, there are 2000 already opened ...please stop all that dead crap

This is an adult thread so far, please help keep it that way. If you feel like flaming someone, please post in one of those other 2000 threads. With all due respect, its nice to have a decent conversation without negative comments, don't you think?

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@Nameless

You started out trying to appear neutral by mentioning the other Amiga platforms but you have now revealed your intent to target AmigaOS and hyperion. Is it that you really want to use AmigaOS4 but can't buy in to that passion? So you join the many envious chanting make it run on x86 so my bank account won't hurt so bad. Is it because you want "the real deal “ that you ignore AROS our MorphOS and instead criticise Hyperion for what they do with there product? Aros runs on cheap hardware and has UAE why don't you play with that our buy a cheap mac and try MorphOS it has UAE also. AmigaOS4 will not be ported to x86 unless an angel investor puts up the cash to fund the work and marketing to justify such a venture. So either buy in and enjoy our consider the alternatives.

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@Fairdinkem

I brought up Hyperion, X1000 and OS4 simply because several people posted replies to my original post and they mentioned them in one way or another. They had an interest in OS4, so my replies were geared towards their posts.

I have no bias. If they posted about AROS or MorphOS, I would have followed up with similar threads about each.

And I also didn't mean my posts to be seen as criticism to those who use OS4 either. I was simply stating my opinion that without a wider user base, the platform won't gain enough developers to create new software -- at least nothing in a reasonable time frame.

I could say the same about MorphOS too, or mention the limited software and functionality for AROS. Each 'Amiga' solution has its own problems, which is why I also said none of them would appeal to users outside of these forums in great numbers.

And I am happy using my A1200 to play old games (once in a blue moon), Windows (yes, I know that is an evil word to some here) for my main desktop and once in a while I fire up my ancient iMac. So no... not particularly interested in using OS4 personally. Natami/FPGA arcade... yes, but that will depend on their pricing.

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@Nameless

Your mistake was to put "cusa" in the topic, thats sure to raise red flags here. They have planted supporters here to push their agenda upon us, so ppl here get a little suspicious if they see "cusa" in the topic. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt & feel you're on the level. Just be aware that ppl are tired of seeing so many cusa threads.

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@sundown

Ah, hmm... I hadn't considered that.

I put CUSA in the title primarily because I noticed several threads with people arguing non-stop, not making any valid points, so thought perhaps CUSA and other Amiga formats could be talked about in a civil manner in a different thread.

It may have been wishful thinking on my part.

As for being pro-CUSA, I can't say I really am. I don't think they are as evil as some here think they are, but they have to do a lot of work to regain any respect at all. They handled themselves horribly from a customer relation standpoint when starting off, their prices are too high in my opinion, and I'm not sure how their plans for their 'Amiga' lineup will pan out. If they try to sell cheapo PCs for $1000+, with just an Amiga sticker, they will fail. But we'll see what happens with their OS and pricing.

On the pro side, I can only mention the fact they have money and apparently a somewhat viable business plan (at least short term), which is more than could have been said for Amiga Inc. And I don't count Snowman Maker as an example of a viable business plan...

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It may have been wishful thinking on my part.

I do believe in miracles, but not that one.
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On the pro side, I can only mention the fact they have money and apparently a somewhat viable business plan (at least short term), which is more than could have been said for Amiga Inc.

Think the jury is still out on that one, they claimed they shipped 3 days ago, but no one has reported receiving one (Florida to Florida). My cats could come up with a better business plan the A.I.

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Argg another C=USA thread, there are 2000 already opened ...please stop all that dead crap

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@Nameless

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@Nameless Quote: For 3K, a person could get an iMac (which is also a bit overpriced), a PC desktop and a laptop. And probably have money leftover to buy a 32" LCD TV, as well. Agreed, but they don't run OS4, you need to remember that little detail.

and they never will. still you dont understand what he is trying to tell. that this politics will not even sustain programming base. only a tiny fraction of even os4 user base.

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Catch 22, we need exciting s/w to bring in new ppl & that takes a more powerfull system like the x1000.

And it should be unique for platform. There won't be new users if all that platform haves is ports of programs which run faster on other platforms for 1/10th of price. As much I like AOS "responsive UI" "User in control" doesn't make frames render faster and that's what counts for people outside community.