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Xmos chip: did Trevor D. talk about a PCI card version? Posted on 24-Oct-2011 17:34:06
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Re: Xmos chip: did Trevor D. talk about a PCI card version? Posted on 24-Oct-2011 17:48:05
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Yes I heard him speak about a PCI XMOS card for the Sam 440/460 Amigas _________________ AmigaOne X1000 |
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Re: Xmos chip: did Trevor D. talk about a PCI card version? Posted on 24-Oct-2011 17:49:53
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Not confirmed, neither denied. At the moment there are USB XMOS chips, but haven`t seen / heard of a PCI card. Also, as you can see it adds extra power that can be parallel programmed but is no substitute for CPU Power
If for example it could emulate OCS/AGA chipset and provide 100% Classic comaptibility, that would e.g. make a lot of sense. But let X1000 come forward first _________________ OS 3.x AROS and MOS supporter, fi di good, nothing fi di unprofessionalism. Learn it harder way! SinclairQL and WII U lover :D YT http://www.youtube.com/user/rasvoja |
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Re: Xmos chip: did Trevor D. talk about a PCI card version? Posted on 24-Oct-2011 17:55:05
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The SAM 4x0 computers already have an FPGA and shader-capable graphics chips. Emulating AGA should be done by them.
The XMOS chip only prevents pipeline stalls on the CPU by coprocessing as many hardware interrupts as possible. It's a cheap chip though, well worth the cost. |
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Re: Xmos chip: did Trevor D. talk about a PCI card version? Posted on 24-Oct-2011 17:57:48
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yes. one of the three planned endeavors by A-EON is a PCI-hosted XMOS solution for existing OS4 systems. no additional details beyond its planning -- and design by varisys -- was revealed in trevor's talks at amiwest this year.
looks like we'll need to 'stay tuned' for more. 
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Re: Xmos chip: did Trevor D. talk about a PCI card version? Posted on 24-Oct-2011 18:16:05
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The SAM 4x0 computers already have an FPGA and shader-capable graphics chips. Emulating AGA should be done by them. |
Any idea how it could be done and where to set up a bounty? (Amiga bounty, Power2People). If it could completely done by Radeon 7000/9000 that would be best for all, but never heard someone used GPU in such way
@eliyahu
Good that news are confirmed!_________________ OS 3.x AROS and MOS supporter, fi di good, nothing fi di unprofessionalism. Learn it harder way! SinclairQL and WII U lover :D YT http://www.youtube.com/user/rasvoja |
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Re: Xmos chip: did Trevor D. talk about a PCI card version? Posted on 24-Oct-2011 18:32:49
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Interesting if such board(s) will be made. Not sure if it makes that much sense because it does not have the same connection to CPU as xena.
(I thought that TrevorD was only talking about the xorro (demo) card that is being done) _________________ - KimmoK // For freedom, for honor, for AMIGA // // Thing that I should find more time for: CC64 - 64bit Community Computer? |
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Re: Xmos chip: did Trevor D. talk about a PCI card version? Posted on 24-Oct-2011 20:46:35
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KimmoK wrote: @eliyahu
Interesting if such board(s) will be made. |
They existed for years and you still have not bought them._________________ AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.
I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28): http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0 |
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Re: Xmos chip: did Trevor D. talk about a PCI card version? Posted on 24-Oct-2011 22:15:06
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Why not just use one of the cheap usb XMOS kits? Reinventing the wheel? _________________ My programs: via.bckrs.de MorphOS user since V0.4 (2001) |
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Re: Xmos chip: did Trevor D. talk about a PCI card version? Posted on 24-Oct-2011 22:38:22
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As far as I can tell, the whole point is to minimise latency. Wiring the thing directly into the CPU is fastest. Sticking it on a 32-lane PCIe port is slower, but still quite fast and crucially, parallel. Putting it on the end of a serial bus is slower and you lose the parallel aspect.
I would also point out that this has been said over and over again. If you're not listening to the answer, stop asking the question. |
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Re: Xmos chip: did Trevor D. talk about a PCI card version? Posted on 24-Oct-2011 22:45:15
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Why not just use one of the cheap usb XMOS kits? Reinventing the wheel? |
it's hard to answer that when we don't even know what the card will have on it, or what software might come with it. remember all trevor said was that they were working on a PCI-hosted XMOS card for OS4. it wasn't an announcement, more a heads up. until they tell us what the product actually is, we won't know if it's something more than comparable development hardware already extant or not.
you could also try PM'ing @TrevorDick and see what he says. 
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Re: Xmos chip: did Trevor D. talk about a PCI card version? Posted on 25-Oct-2011 18:05:09
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vox wrote: @Samurai_Crow
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The SAM 4x0 computers already have an FPGA and shader-capable graphics chips. Emulating AGA should be done by them. |
Any idea how it could be done and where to set up a bounty? (Amiga bounty, Power2People). If it could completely done by Radeon 7000/9000 that would be best for all, but never heard someone used GPU in such way
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The Radeon 7000 certainly can't do it. The 9000 might though. The catch is I haven't determined if it has the necessary boolean operators in its shader implementation. |
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