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Re: Evert Carton speaks
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Seriously... hope that whomever told you "who it was" provided you with enough proof/ evidence to confirm who they are...


im not paranoid. i tend to trust people if im not convinced otherwise. jorits/everts posts are coherent so far whether here or or other sites, and i dont see any ill attempt, or any reason he could have to make up stuff. his identity has been repeatedly confirmed, by his own proof (i have not checked that) and by others including mods on this site. really, i dont see why i need to or even could question, who he was, not anymore.

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Again though... it all comes back to what I keep saying... does it really, I mean really honestly matter what anyone in all of this has to say about anything...


apparently it matters. why else his involvement would become so much of an issue?

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«Evert Carton» is this mystic person that was never traveled when AmigaOS4.0 prelease was released around the world, I never seen talk about anything on any of events after, he is this shadow, no blogs, no public information, know nothing about him.

And then when we speak care about ants, we are so small community, so way does he even care, he says not that we are small and insignificant.

And then he comes from no where starting behave like he logon every day, like we the small ants who does because we are interested, because we do care, and because we belive, depit being small ants.

And we talk about ants, a ant can lift many times it own weight, this true about many of developers in this community, I think we should be proud of having.

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Its just that its so easy to fake indemnity, he was anyone then I don't care, but when you se your the former management partner of hyperion, then I do wont to know if what he says is true or not.

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Re: Evert Carton speaks
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... like we the small ants who does because we are interested, because we do care, and because we belive, depit being small ants ...

And we talk about ants, a ant can lift many times it own weight, this true about many of developers in this community, I think we should be proud of having.


The intent was never to compare this community with small little ants.
It was never meant to be a comment on ants.

It was nothing but a retrospective reflection about the futility of the wars.

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I never seen I talk about anything on any of events


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Today, 27 Sept, Evert Carton has emailed to let us know that he will be coming to the UK to attend the MAG UK event!


Maybe he's just not as loud about what he does?

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Its just that its so easy to fake indemnity, he was anyone then I don't care, but when you se your the former management partner of hyperion, then I do wont to know if what he says is true or not.

you are really trying hard to discredit jorit as not the one he claims to be. it seems to be an important issue to you according to the above post. now, answer me one question: what if he is genuine and all he says is truth? what will that change in your life?

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No, no I just want some prof of who he is, post a video on youtube, and say hi to amiga community.

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"of course cooperation would be good !"


Yes.

Want to add an already mentioned here bible verse:
Proverbs 15:22

"There is a frustrating of plans where there is no confidential talk, but in the multitude of counselors there is accomplishment."

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“It was nothing but a retrospective reflection about the futility of the wars. “

yes the wars is futile, does not resolve anything, lack of cooperation when it might have been possible in comment interest, there are cooperation wheen camps, take Opus5 where Itix is helping Kas1e whit porting of the source to GCC, so so that a native build can be made.

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No, no I just want some prof of who he is, post a video on youtube, and say hi to amiga community.


why should he??? i wouldnt if you asked me. i think its been proven enough, now its up to you to prove that he is not evert, or even if he is, he has not done enough for amiga or os4, to be allowed to post here and criticize ben.

or just stop being childish, because someone accidentally stopmed upon your sand castle. btw you have not answered my question, but i doubt you will.

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Kjetil first law: Your guilty until disproven.

LOL

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I do not know why the proof is so important. He obviously has a problem with Ben H. and he is propably not the only one in the world. But what does that change? I would been more interested in what Ben H. thinks about more combing limited resources (the idea I already explained). He did not answer it and then the escalation started.

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"im not paranoid."

I never said you were !!!
But I'm beginning to wonder now that you feel you had to say that...


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i tend to trust people if im not convinced otherwise. jorits/everts posts are coherent so far whether here or or other sites, and i dont see any ill attempt, or any reason he could have to make up stuff. his identity has been repeatedly confirmed, by his own proof (i have not checked that) and by others including mods on this site. really, i dont see why i need to or even could question, who he was, not anymore.

Not sure why are so concerned that "jorit2" is this Evert Catron fella, as that's not what I have said or been saying and indeed I do actually believe that "jorit2" is indeed Evert Carton...

All I have been trying to say is, it doesn't matter when it comes to the whole Hyperion thing what either Ben Hermans or Evert Carton have to say about each other and their past business dealings & connections as it's nothing more than hearsay without evidence presented by either one...

Put it this way in a court of law (and yes I know this isn't a court of law) "hearsay" doesn't count and would be thrown out without evidence to back up what someone is saying and that should apply here too. Sure you can choose to believe one persons version of events over the other but at the end of the day without any hard evidence then you'd be foolish to believe either...


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apparently it matters. why else his involvement would become so much of an issue?

Sure it seems to matter to some folk here for some reason I can't quite fathom and indeed it seems to be an issue for some folk, again for reasons I don't understand...

I have no reason to believe it wasn't Ben Hermans making the posts here the other day and I've no reason to believe that "jorit2" isn't Evert Carton. My only point I keep trying to get through is that nothing either of them has to say on this entire subject actually matters and shouldn't matter to anyone but themselves... it's quite simple to understand really...

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@thread

I was going to mention something about the topic of the thread getting pretty much ignored, but I don't think I will.

Oh wait..

Ouch. 2 typing errors in one sentence.

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Not sure why are so concerned that "jorit2" is this Evert Catron fella, as that's not what I have said or been saying and indeed I do actually believe that "jorit2" is indeed Evert Carton...


im just curious, as i was when ben has shown up. lets say its an academic interest. besides evert seems rather sympathetic and frank, and i dont like when people are being instantly accused because they say something others dont like.

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Put it this way in a court of law (and yes I know this isn't a court of law) "hearsay" doesn't count and would be thrown out without evidence to back up what someone is saying and that should apply here too. Sure you can choose to believe one persons version of events over the other but at the end of the day without any hard evidence then you'd be foolish to believe either...


sure, i doubt anybody is going to start a legal action based upon some post on this site. but street credibility is another issue, a lot of agenda may be achieved via hearsay. therefore i try to understand on my own.

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Apologies for the ontopic post:...

Coooperation - well that can take many levels, OlafS25 wants to define cooperation as lets all use AROS with skins, wawa defines it as everyone using 68k and 3.1 API whereas ofcourse true cooperatsion is to use AmigaOS4 ... well that's intended to be ironic ofcourse.

How about we just don't fight all the time? Don't always try and belittle and find the worst in every announcement from the other camps? etc etc?

Write apps that are cross platform when appropriate, or leverage the strengths of your own platform where you are more comfortable with that. Just don't dis everthing all the time.



[edit]fixing nics and spellings[/edits]

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number6 wrote:
@thread

I was going to mention something about the topic of the thread getting pretty much ignored, but I don't think I will.

Oh wait..

Ouch. 2 typing errors in one sentence.

#6



Sorry bout that but you did have quite a few of us totally confused with the initial post being taken from a two year old thread and it coming across as being something to to with the kafufle of recent days...

So as for the topic Ants & Cooperation... here's my take on it...

Ants... ant are some of the most vicious and lethal little creatures on this planet, sure they're all part of the same species but all the offshoots and variations in the species is to me just like Amiga users and Amigaland...

They are quite willing to bite the heads off those whom are not part of their offshoot and either exile or rip to shreds those whom don't fit in with their particular sub group and are very intolerant of each others sub family and mostly fight to the death when they cross each others path... pretty much like Amiga users and all our little offshoots/ sub groups...

So yup... Ants are a pretty good analogy of all that happens on the jungle floor here in Amigaland...


PS: I posted about those typing errors I've been making myself just the other day, pretty sure it's all this posting on the internet that is slowly making me dimmer & dimmer as time goes on...soon I'll be so dim I'll be able to understand text messages and buy a mobile phone...

EDIT: Dang... another mistake... just dropped to another level of dimness and inching closer to becoming a mobile phone user...

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Okay there is two possibilities,

1) jorit2 is Evert Carton, then the topic then we are taking whit Evert Carton, and topic of this thread is true.
2) jorit2 is not Evert Carton, then the topic then we are not taking whit Evert Carton, and topic of this thread is false.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat

It's not that I don't wont to discredit “Evert Carton”, its just that I don't trust newly created accounts whit out posting history and no possible prof of the identity, it may or may not be “Evert Carton”, and so nothing he says is about hyperion or about ben, or cooperation can I absolutely be shore if its “Evert Carton” saying.

He has not been saying anything bad, but even so.

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Write apps that are cross platform when appropriate, or leverage the strengths of your own platform where you are more comfortable with that. Just don't dis everthing all the time.

leveraging own platform is not a cooperation, even if theres nothing wrong with it in my eyes. taking part in threads of platforms you may not be actively using, like os4 and mos for me, may lead to sort of cooperation, while plainly ignoring them is not. remember i almost reinstalled my os4 to help test djnicks skins, before i realized it would be in vain since i have no necessary updates. never rule out a convinient outcome.

besides, read what i wrote, i did not demand anyone to use 3.1 api and real amigas, its just my preference to relay on 68k binary compatibility and open source extensions that aros introduced to it. i can perfectly live with others using os4, morphos or whatever they like.

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