@hotrod

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PPC-emulation would be interesting for AOS 4 emulation. Like already mentioned you can't use composition or Gallium so it will kind of be "try before you buy" and it would also be useful to developers who wold get access to the latest functions in AOS 4.1.

what gallium?

@hotrod

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What I'm thinking is that maybe they've contacted him and wanted this since he said that it would never happen but suddenly changed his mind?

I don't think that would be in Hyperions best interests. They don't look like the sort of company that wants to run a core OS under an emulation layer. They aren't Amiga Inc!

The way I see it they would want to run the OS on real hardware. A lot of effort is put into this. Although a generic emulation layer with only one virtual platform to support does sound tempting. The cloesst OS4 had would be a MacMini port to non-dedicated hardware. And the Pegasos for that matter.

@Hypex

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I don't think that would be in Hyperions best interests.

And since when has Hyperion displayed behaviour that indicates they have any understanding of what is in their best interests? Ben Hermans is a lawyer, he probably believes that 2+2=4, and is certainly the type of guy to "cut off his nose to spite his face".

If at some point in the not too distant future MorphOS et al announced they will make MorphOS run under WinUAE-PPC, Mr Hermans would announce a doubling of the price of AmigaOS 4 and make 4.3 a paid upgrade.

And what's worse, he'd have an army of volunteer minions argue for him that it was the right decision.

It would absolutely be in Hyperion's best interests to not only allow for AmigaOS 4 for Classic to work on WinUAE-PPC, but to make sure it works. An OS is there to run programs, and the more instances of the OS out there the more real estate for the programs. Then there is the halo effect of moving from limiting emulation to dedicated hardware, and that's another OS 4 license sold. Would there be unlicensed copies of OS 4 for Classic running out there? Sure, but there would also be licensed copies.

A-Eon, Hyperion, are not Apple or Microsoft; They can't take stoic stands on platform integrity. A business' product strategy can be either 'Market Leading' or 'Market Responsive'. Since they are not leading the Amiga marketplace in any clear and specific direction, then they should let the marketplace lead.

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@winuae

I think if PPC emulation starts working, Hyperion (And MorphOS team) could contact Toni Wilen or cloanto to see if it would be possible to build emulated environment where some form of copy protection can be used.

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I think this is great news for Hyperion and a great way to pull diehard Classic Amiga programmers to the realm of "AmigaNG".... if they play their cards right that is because I can see people wanting to pirate OS4.1 Classic and would like a proper copy protection that does not hinder real customers.

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agami wrote: Ben Hermans is a lawyer, he probably believes that 2+2=4

Since when lawyers became mathematicians ?

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Ancalimon wrote: a great way to pull diehard Classic Amiga programmers to the realm of "AmigaNG"

Why?

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@Thorham

Because now it's possible that they will be able to use the recent AmigaOS without buying expensive hardware.

Hyperion should be very happy to sell more OS4 licence..

but, how to select PPC? in cpu tab there isn't ppc selecion..

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Ancalimon wrote: Because now it's possible that they will be able to use the recent AmigaOS without buying expensive hardware.

Obviously, but why would Classic programmers want to do that?

It would be nice to see OS4.1 Classic in the Amiga Forever package.
I think, this won't be a problem for the NG Amigas with PPC cpus. The new Cyrus+ boards are very interessting and it's impressive to see a Freescale cpu on the desktop board. For me it's more exciting to see OS4.1 and Linux on the Cyrus+ boards.
But don't worry, I'll furthermore support Linux for A1-X1000. We have a lot of work to do for the A1-X1000.

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@xeno74

Is there a livecd for x1000 linux?

@Xmas87

Yes, of course. Look here: Ubuntu Remix DVD for AmigaONE X1000

Support: http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz



Back to the topic.

I would pay much more money for an Amiga Forever package with OS4.1 Classic.

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@agami

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And since when has Hyperion displayed behaviour that indicates they have any understanding of what is in their best interests?

I think when they challenged Amiga for the OS4 rights and source code.

But, aren't you confusing the best interests of Hyperion with the best interests of the users?

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t would absolutely be in Hyperion's best interests to not only allow for AmigaOS 4 for Classic to work on WinUAE-PPC, but to make sure it works.

I don't see that happening. That would reduce OS4 to being run on an emulator under Windows. Which is one of the main reasons years ago they didn't want to go x86. Competing with Windows. The nagain since the AmigaOne days OS4 has competed with Linux to deal with its shortcomings.

Personally, even if it is convenient, I do see it as demeaning if an OS is run under emulation. That's pretty much the death of that OS. If it runs on a PC faster than the real thing that platform is soon in the history books.

In any case I think it is only PowerUP or WarpOS emulation is it? In that case I doubt PPC code could take over the machine. Can Linux run emulated on the PPC? For the same resaon that FusionPPC doesn't work on OS4 is the same reason I don't think OS4 would work under UAE.

@Hypex

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For the same resaon that FusionPPC doesn't work on OS4 is the same reason I don't think OS4 would work under UAE.

Nonesense. If CyberstormPPC hardware is fully emulated, then OS4 may run.

@Hypex

we are on a marketplace, AOS is competing with others they cannot stop that, people will always compare

"But, aren't you confusing the best interests of Hyperion with the best interests of the users?"

Should the best interest of the user not also be best interest of Hyperion?

And why should emulation be the end of hardware? UAE is there and still people use their hardware. And even new FPGA based systems will not destroy UAE (as UAE will not destroy the hardware). Both are different user groups.