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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
Posted on 4-Sep-2014 23:03:20
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Is this where we may expect the "nice surprise" announcement from HyperionMP to be made?


Certainly looking forward to that!

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@thread

September news

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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Sadly yet another year they go with an AmigaOS 4 programming seminar vs Amiga OS 3.1 =\




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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@terminills

We host an AmigaOS 4 programming seminar because we have a dedicated group of AmigaOS 4 developers who are willing to spend their own money and time to come to the show.

I'm sure the SACC club would enjoy someone stepping up and offering to focus on coding for OS 3.1 too.

Hopefully we someone will be at the show exhibiting AROS this year :)

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@terminills

I think it's sad that those who don't attend often criticise those that do for what isn't present at the show.

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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Hopefully we someone will be at the show exhibiting AROS this year :)



Not that I am aware of. Nor will I be involved with working out any details.

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@terminills

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Sadly yet another year they go with an AmigaOS 4 programming seminar vs Amiga OS 3.1 =\


Well many of the things that works on AmigaOS4.1 also works on AmigaOS3.1, so if people are interested in programming they should follow it.

The problem with AmigaoS3.1 is that there is no big file support, and it poorly support big hard drives, there are so many things about AmigaOS3.1 that is outdated. Should people continue to write code that pokes the hardware with out accessing drivers first?

I for one hope classic developers what ever they do, start coding system friendly.

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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Well many of the things that works on AmigaOS4.1 also works on AmigaOS3.1, so if people are interested in programming they should follow it.


Well when I built gutenprint I had no problems building it for AOS 3.1(Which Ran under Morphos fine), or Aros. AOS4 however was buggy and crashed. This leads me to believe that AOS4 is the problem not AOS3.1.

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I think it's sad that those who don't attend often criticise those that do for what isn't present at the show.

It is a lot easier to sit in a comfy chair and complain than it is to get up and volunteer.

@all
Just for the record, none of us involved with the programming seminar are paid or anything. All proceeds go to the AmiWest show which pays for the facilities, etc.

If somebody wants to run an Amiga OS 3.1 programming seminar then come to Sacramento and set it up. No time like the present. Contact one of the show organizers (not me) and make it happen.

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@terminills

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AOS4 however was buggy and crashed


In my experience its always some thing that causes the grim ripper, you should get pretty detailed stack trace from GrimRepair, any how I might be able to assist you in finding the crash.

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is the problem not AOS3.1.


Does not have memory protection what ever, so any minor problem can go undetected.

you can press the ignore button in Grim Repair and in many case the program continues.

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@ssolie

It's even easier to stop donating/sponsoring because I don't agree with the direction. :)

Granted it has been much but it's something. ;P

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TBH My Sam collects dust and I prefer to work on AOS3.1 and Aros.

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@terminills

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TBH My Sam collects dust and I prefer to work on AOS3.1 and Aros.


I was not asking you to find the bug and spend hours at end on it for free. I was offering some of my time, to find the bug for you. No matter if you use OS3.1 or AROS dont you wont your software to be bug free?

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@terminills

That's a shame...

As a long time member of SACC, I can tell all our members are classic users!
Yes some have OS-4, a couple have morph. But none have AROS.

Why, no one will present it to us till once, just two years ago at amiwest.

Please consider presenting or finding a way to have someone present the things YOU want presented!

We'll help as we can (as hosts)
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Hopefully we someone will be at the show exhibiting AROS this year :)



Not that I am aware of. Nor will I be involved with working out any details.

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@terminills,

I feel sorry for you. You don't approve and won't help with changing the direction, this is not the fault of the Amiwest team however. If your OS does not have enough interest, than this is no way to attract more. Bummer for you.



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i8 will be extremeli disapointed iff amishop is not lounchd and there is no date on cyrus, and no statements from hyperion. or any suprices this year... i hope for an internet steam... this year too.... maby a chat with the option to ask developers questions !!!.

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Re: AmiWest - October 24-26, 2014
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@QuikSanz

Terminills has provided support in the past. Not sure why he is choosing to voice is opinion in a brash way. I know he has been working on Amiga related stuff, so he is trying like all of us to make the Amiga better.

Some times we just push in different directions.

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@QuikSanz

I can remember the presentation of Jason on Amiwest and when he asked if there are are any questions, a long silence. Obviously people there are interested primarly in AmigaOS so the seminar is perfect for them. Attending there (with lots of expenses) just to show AROS or MorphOS does not make any sense, if someone has attended anyway and just invests some of his time ok. But attending to win users for AROS or MorphOS makes no sense to me.

I think attending "Amiga meetings" for marketing makes not much sense anyway, it would make more sense to go to f.e. retro meetings where you can meet people from outside.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

at least from what I see from a number of projects that support for AmigaOS 4.X becomes increasingly complicated resulting in no support for AmigaOS. That is not because of bad attititude by developers but by the changes that are made. On the long run (even with good attitude) it will harm AmigaOS at the end.

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@tekmage

"different directions"

to me it seems that AmigaOS is shifting away from the original whereas AROS or MorphOS are still trying to stay as compatible as possible. I think your core devs make a big mistake.

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