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Cloanto confirms transfers of Commodore/Amiga copyrights

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@number6

Thanks for that information.

For those that read up on all the finer details, twists and turns of AOS x;

What are the implications with regards to the future of AOS 4 if Hyperion stays bankrupt,
AEON obviously "needs" AOS 4 for their PPC platform (Linux is just one of the options being added, even tho it got better features).

@number6

"Only the "Commodore" trademarks (but not any patents, nor any copyrights) were sold to Tulip Computers in 1997."

So does that mean that the Commodore case designs belong to Acer?

@number6

thanks 6! who new Cloanto held all the cards all along

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And what about my adult spin off film "Amiga DOS Dallas"? I can go ahead with it finally!

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#6

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Glad to know all the classic copyrights are in good hands. Great news after hearing about Hyperion's current problems.

@A1200

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A1200 wrote: I like Colanto as a Company and the products they produce. I also feel that OS3.1-3.9 is the best Amiga Workbenchs ever.

To be honest, i never liked 3.9 too much, it looks like subpar work to me, in fact all my original Miggies are stuck at 3.1-3.5 and i don't plan to upgrade any of them. I use 3.9 on WinUAE only and not that much, also.

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This is old news. I remember reading it at least one year ago, and by the document date it was first posted in June 2011:

sites.google.com/site/amigadocuments/#TOC-Cloanto

The "news" itself still has zero comments:

Cloanto confirms transfers of Commodore/Amiga copyrights

If nobody noticed the news (or the copyright publications) 2011-2015, and nobody commented on it now, it seems the Amiga community is in a quite depressing state of affairs!

@Rob
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So does that mean that the Commodore case designs belong to Acer?

Why Acer? Gateway only retained the patents, which have now expired. Acer inherited nothing.

For the "vacuum cleaner" design, you would have to check what the contract says about ownership. The company who did that claimed they were never paid, but that by itself could be normal if the customer was under a bankruptcy/liquidation procedure. They ought to have followed the procedure with the liquidator, rather than just complain they were not paid.

Or in other words, define "case design". If it is copyrightable, it falls under copyrights (Cloanto). If it is something else (trademark? registered design? patent?), find the registration in the relevant database, and we will all know more.

@aria

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The "news" itself still has zero comments

Minor point concerning no comments on Amiganews.de, the source:

Click German and you'll see some comments.
Everything requires translation and comments in english on the site have always been few and far between.

There is a bit more discussion on amiga.org than on AW:

Source

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Why Acer? Gateway only retained the patents, which have now expired. Acer inherited nothing.

That really comes down to the Gateway wiki statement about Amiga Inc. being a licensee.
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Gateway purchased the Amiga assets from Escom in 1997 and since 2000, this Amiga intellectual property has been licensed to Amiga, Inc.

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John Spelich "VP Corporate Communications at Gateway Inc."(title taken from linkedin):

similar statement

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It'll be interesting, also, to know something about the trademarks situation.

@number6
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That really comes down to the Gateway wiki statement about Amiga Inc. being a licensee.

The statement looks more accurate if you replace the somewhat vague "Amiga intellectual property" with "patents". For the rest (trademarks, copyrights) the Amiga-News article linked to official records.

John Spelich's own words (in the article quoted by you) can be read to support this: Gateway sold all assets to Amiga, except for the "Amiga patents" (which were licensed to Amiga) and "the technology that's been worked on while it was under Gateway's auspices" (i.e. nothing of relevance to the Amiga community).

The Gateway wiki currently reads:

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Gateway purchased the remaining Commodore and Amiga assets from Escom in 1997.[6] It licensed the patents to Amiga, Inc. in 1998, retaining ownership over them until their eventual expiration. The trademarks and copyrights were sold by Gateway to Amiga in the same year.[7][8][9][10]

@cdimauro
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It'll be interesting, also, to know something about the trademarks situation.

Did you see the link mentioned in the original Amiga-News article? These are public records, you can do similar searches yourself.

@aria

Perhaps this will help, regarding "license".

Acer own the Amiga Name and IP, KMOS only has a license to use it!

Note the discussion about rights to revoke.

I'm not arguing the point even though the same discussion has gone on in the forums for years. I'm just providing an alternative explanation.

Also note that the wiki gets continually, erm...edited.

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Overflow wrote: @number6 Thanks for that information. For those that read up on all the finer details, twists and turns of AOS x; What are the implications with regards to the future of AOS 4 if Hyperion stays bankrupt, AEON obviously "needs" AOS 4 for their PPC platform (Linux is just one of the options being added, even tho it got better features).

Then they are completely screwed. If this article is correct then license for os4 is not transferable to a third party unless they get the consent from amiga inc, which of course is not likely to happen.

@number6

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Perhaps this will help, regarding "license". Acer own the Amiga Name and IP, KMOS only has a license to use it! Note the discussion about rights to revoke.

How would this help?

The amiga.org thread contains no factual information.

The thread subject is plain wrong. Lookups at uspto.gov and copyright.gov are sufficient to prove how non-patent assets were transferred (they changed hands), not licensed.

The only non-sale license, as supported by your citation, was about patents, and these expired years ago. So what is the purpose of a debate about revoking these?

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I'm just providing an alternative explanation.

A proven false alternative to others (Amiga-News, Amiga Documents) who quote their sources?

It looks like there is an agenda by some to involve Acer at all costs and in spite of verifiable information to the contrary.

What is your motivation to keep nurturing this?

@aria

Dude, lose the chip.
Some of us don't really care enough to look this stuff up. Number6 always posts from a perspective of objectivity. It's interesting to read sometimes (in a "I couldn't care either way" sort of way).

I have to wonder what *your* motivation is here. Four posts, all of them proclaiming how smart you are, then you have the audacity to question a long time members agenda (who again, has always been objective, just posting things as he comes across them). Also, "interesting" how you just happen to have all this at hand, and have posted only on this subject.

Yes, as Im sure you're thinking now, the above is ridiculous.
You do see that right?

@fishy_fis

Cant say aria got a chip to loose. Like you, I do not actually care enough to look these things up.
That said, I dont see a reason to call out someone that actually takes the time to do so, even if that ends up contradicting what "long time members" says.
I rather welcome additional information which will make people take a second look.

Unlike many other comments on this forum (mine included), atleast Number 6 and aria conveyes information. Add it up and it will probarly enlighten us all at the end of it.

@Overflow

Sure, extra/alternative info. is always welcome. The tone however is unnecessary.
Me pointing out Number6 being a long time member was just to point out how silly it was to suggest a motivation. Doesn't take much research to find these answers/information. Ironically the same person appears to have some attitude towards people finding correct information

If it's simply a case of me misconstruing intent because of mediums lack of tone&infliction, then I do apologize, but only he knows that for sure.

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