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WolfToTheMoon 
Re: FreescaleNews
Posted on 15-May-2015 18:42:19
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@damocles

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Yet Intel is hot on the mobile market CPU and ARM is
coming to traditional desktop via AMD.


There are now indications and rumors from within AMD that they will prioritize x86 over ARM, as they believe margins are going to be higher. Zen(next completely new x86 architecture) is rumored to have 40% more IPC than AMD's fastest CPU today and should come with up to 16 cores and SMT. They want to go at the higher spectrum of the market, where margins are much bigger. ARM will not work there.

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Re: FreescaleNews
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@WolfToTheMoon

AMD already introduced a ARM based server, I'm sure there will be a huge pickup for the next generation x64 and it'll be nested with ARM on some models. Having a AMD based mobo with ARM is what a lot of geeks have been waiting for.

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@damocles

yes, but problem with ARM servers is that they don't sell much... they do not have the software stack and/or performance(per watt) of x86-64.

I think the only worthwile PowerPC CPU now and in the forseeable future is POWER8(and future iterations of the POWER line). Freescale's PowerPCs, as a desktop target, are pathethically underpowered and overpriced. They even use more energy than much faster x86 CPUs. There's not a single positive about them and that's exactly why they're losing market to ARM and x86.

Tyan's POWER8 system cost less than X1000 - I'd say, A-eon's money would have been much better spent getting AOS4(or MOS, AROS) running on that than building their own system which is much slower, but not a single penny cheaper.

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pavlor 
Re: FreescaleNews
Posted on 15-May-2015 19:56:33
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@WolfToTheMoon

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Tyan's POWER8 system


TDP?

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WolfToTheMoon 
Re: FreescaleNews
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@pavlor

According to Anandtech testing, 12 core POWER8 at 3.1 GHz is at 190 W TDP.

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cdimauro 
Re: FreescaleNews
Posted on 16-May-2015 6:23:12
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@olegil

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olegil wrote:
@OlafS25

The way I see it, freescale has these families (ascending max performance):
ARM MCU
Coldfire MCU
ARM SoC
PPC SoC

NXP has this:
ARM MCU

So for there to be synergy, the ARM MCU business needs to consolidate, that is they need to (as a minimum) work towards a common goal. Cutting people here shouldn't have any long term downsides. Remember that SDKs is a big part of the cost involved as well.

(MCU = flash/SRAM-based, SoC = external storage. Both have internal peripherals, unlike x86/x64)

The thing is, ARM isn't competing with PPC on the highest performance stuff yet.

That's totally wrong: ARM has already started doing it years ago. From the Cortex-A8 to the latest (presented just a few days ago) Cortex-A72, ARM focused on performance.

Also, independent ARM licensees have developed their high-performance ARM cores: Qualcomm (Krait and the upcoming Kryo), Apple (A7, A8, A8+, and the upcoming A9), nVidia (Project Denver; OK, it's not a real ARM, but it's designed to execute ARM code with very good performance), and other less known companies (sorry, I don't recall them now).
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The CEOs of Freescales customers are asking for ARM because that's what their shiny new smartphone has (a previous CEO of ours once insisted that we should use CE instead of Linux for our embedded webservers. We had a 486-based SoC at the time and were replacing this with an ARM. Needless to say noone took him very seriously after that). But when you start comparing the numbers you see that there's still a huge gap in performance.

Take a look at the numbers (damocles posted a link), and you can see that ARM is already doing BIG numbers.
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On the other hand, the LS family was all about reusing cores they had experience with and redoing the peripherals with fewer bottlenecks, so for simple through-put numbers an LS2085A can beat a T2080 easily. However, once you start putting some processing in the datapath it's gonna struggle. This is why I'm still hoping for an LS-P family. (yes, LS doesn't mean ARM. The A at the end means ARM).

PowerPCs are still, yet, and will never be different than the current 2-ways out-of-order design. There's no plan from Freescale for a different, more (single thread/core) performing micro-architecture(s).

That means only one thing: PowerPC is a dying architecture. It will be maintained just for legacy, exactly like all other previous Motorola architectures (6800s, 68000s, 88000s).

ALL microprocessors vendors (except Intel and a few others which operate on the embedded segment with their own, proprietary, architectures) jumped on the ARM wagon.

Let's face the reality and put a stone on the PowerPC family.

And no, that has NOTHING to do with any OS4 "hatred" (SIGH!): they are pure, crude FACTs. Trying to bring the discussion into such direction falls into logical fallacies: Red herring and Ad Hominem.

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cdimauro 
Re: FreescaleNews
Posted on 16-May-2015 6:28:31
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@WolfToTheMoon

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WolfToTheMoon wrote:
@pavlor

According to Anandtech testing, 12 core POWER8 at 3.1 GHz is at 190 W TDP.

The Intel Xeon E7-8800 v3 Review: The POWER8 Killer?

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Hypex 
Re: FreescaleNews
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@WolfToTheMoon

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I'd say, A-eon's money would have been much better spent getting AOS4(or MOS, AROS) running on that than building their own system which is much slower


That's the thing. They commissioned Varisys to do the job. And then it was Made in England. The last machine I bought that was made in England was a Commodore C16!

So there's no reason I can see why a half decent machine like this couldn't be used. After all, the first machine with the AmigaOne label was built by some other company, even if it didn't turn out as well.

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Massi 
Re: FreescaleNews
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@cdimauro

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Let's face the reality and put a stone on the PowerPC family.


Put a stone elsewhere.

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OlafS25 
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@Massi

have you not dropped PowerPC and AmigaOS 4.X recently? Just wondering

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Massi 
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@OlafS25

I had a little break, did a course to become a "trollbuster" and now I am back

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@Massi

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Put a stone elsewhere.


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cdimauro 
Re: FreescaleNews
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@Massi

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Massi wrote:
@cdimauro

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Let's face the reality and put a stone on the PowerPC family.


Put a stone elsewhere.

I know, it's hard to accept...

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I had a little break, did a course to become a "trollbuster" and now I am back

Don't exchange the roles, please. That's you that "reply" moaning and accusing of trolling others because you're not able to accept the FACTs and technical arguments that they report.

In fact, you systematically attack what you don't like and then drop the discussing with polemics when you're not able to continue it.

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Massi 
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Posted on 16-May-2015 14:05:31
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@cdimauro

You are only "bla bla bla" and nothing else.

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pavlor 
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Posted on 16-May-2015 14:24:05
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@Massi

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You are only "bla bla bla" and nothing else.


Big words, no deeds.

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Massi 
Re: FreescaleNews
Posted on 16-May-2015 14:29:21
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@pavlor

Yep, always the same conclusion with him.
He is only gossip

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cdimauro 
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Posted on 16-May-2015 14:29:50
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@Massi

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Massi wrote:
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You are only "bla bla bla" and nothing else.

Yes, and we know how the story ended, eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr4oB0O0Dt0

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You are only "bla bla bla" and nothing else.


Big words, no deeds.

See above...

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Massi 
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Posted on 16-May-2015 14:34:08
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@cdimauro

Gossip troll.

Last edited by Massi on 16-May-2015 at 02:35 PM.

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@Massi

Quote:

Massi wrote:
@cdimauro

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Let's face the reality and put a stone on the PowerPC family.


Put a stone elsewhere.


Always when this ppc debate comes up I am so happy we have AROS already that doesn#t rely on ppv and MorphOS where the ISA switch is already on the agenda. Indeed I like my ppc machines and generally I would like a more heterogeneous computing world and so on, but reality is ppc is very, very probable a dying out architecture. And while I can cry about a sinking ship I also should care for a seat in an emergency boat to not sink with the ship.
Today I enjoy my ppc systems and could imagine to continue with ppc (X5000, G5,...) for a while, but I sleep calmer as I know in, say, 10 years my preferred system (Amiga in whatever incarnation) will probably still be there and have a home on then current hardware.

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Plaz 
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Posted on 16-May-2015 15:44:17
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MIPS anyone?

http://www.imgtec.com/mips/

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