@NutsAboutAmiga

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I have not seen any "Foreclosure Agreement from Hyperion", until this time I assume they are alive and kicking. (If remember correct the issue was resolved Hyperion payed the creditors in the end.)

I supplied the link to amiganews.de for the sole purpose of providing the source article for what Rob was commenting on. I did this because linking to 2nd hand discussions just puts you one step further away from what was actually stated.

I did not offer the link in order to argue about Hyperion's status. THAT part is also information that has changed over time. One of the current links that refers to what you just posted:

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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if Cloanto is going obtain Hyperion's assets

What assets would that be...

...the name "AmigaOS"? Hyperion doesn't have that any more than Cloanto does. Note that Cloanto's US registration of the term "Amiga" was initially accepted, while Hyperion's attempt to register "AmigaOS" was denied.

...the 3.1 source code? Cloanto already has that.

...the code for 4.1 FE? Hyperion doesn't own any of that, it's owned by the external developers who licensed it to Hyperion. Buying Hyperion - including all their debts - to get your hands on those licenses looks quite expensive to me. It might be a lot cheaper and certainly less risky to just wait until Hyperion is history and then negotiate new licenses with the external developers.

But "Cloanto obtaining Hyperion's assets" requires two things: Hyperion going down, and Cloanto actually being interested at all. At least one of those things is extremely unlikely - I'll leave it up to you to decide which one.

@cgutjahr

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Hyperion going down

Too early for that kind of talk. Right now we're only here:

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State of the entity: Company in transitory legal situation

Source

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: Yes but you can't copy right "Workbench", its common word, that can be disputed,

Again, please don't mix up copyright and trademarks, they are two different IP concepts. And yes, you can trademark-protect almost anything. Wordmarks (any word), graphical symbols, even colors and sound and music. But only for use in your particular industry. There are for instance several examples of the use of "Amiga" in various industries beyond Computers, and that is totally fine. You can build and market excavators and bulldozers, but if you paint them in a certain yellow color you will get Caterpillar's lawyers chasing after you. And you can sell operating systems, but not under the "Workbench" name, since that is a wordmark owned by Cloanto for exclusive use in the scope of Operating Systems.


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beside selling and distributing a product does make you the owner of that product,

You are talking about OS4 now? Hyperion indeed sells and distribute an operating system.

Cloanto however owns OS3.1 (any and all components, source code and binaries).


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Hyperion ended up with source code, Cloanto does not have that.

Hehe, today everyone has the source code, even if they won't admit it! How about you, you don't have it?

Unlike others however, Cloanto have the rights to actually use it, since they are the owners of the Copyright! They owns it, they own OS 3.1!

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Hyperion blocks BoingBag downloads

Sorry, with SO much legal activity these days, it's sometimes difficult to find the on-topic thread for each post. I hope this suffices.

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@number6

Unfortunate victim of the war between Cloanto and Hyperion...


For those interested, OS3.9BB2 is still available on the H/P website, OS3.9BB1 can be downloaded from archived version of amiga.com.

@pavlor

Story updated. Same link as above.

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@cgutjahr

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...the 3.1 source code? Cloanto already has that.

Yeah, who doesn't? :)

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@pavlor

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For those interested, OS3.9BB2 is still available on the H/P website, OS3.9BB1 can be downloaded from archived version of amiga.com.

I see download links for both on Haage&Partner in the first news item.

http://www.haage-partner.de/amiga/aos39/index-e.html

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@number6,
The link for BB1 goes nowhere.

This whole trying to dictate the "amiga" market thing will be the death of Hyperion.
Its getting tiring and most people are slowly but surely turning against them.

Unfortunately its us, the users who are suffering because of it. Some of us simply arent interested in their version of AmigaOS. Trying to force us to be their patrons by making our hobby be more difficult won't work, and is in fact much more likely to backfire.

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The link for BB1 goes nowhere.

And when I use the link at archive.org, all I get is:

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The requested URL /3.9/download/boingbag39-1.lha was not found on this server.

Perhaps Pavlor has an active direct link, since BB2 is useless without BB1, right?

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@fishy_fis

Hyperion is not the only one to blame in this case. Hyperion was rather complacent in the field of trademarks until Cloanto registered "Amiga" trademark threatening Hyperion´s core market.

@number6

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Perhaps Pavlor has an active direct link, since BB2 is useless without BB1, right?

November 12 2001 archive works for BB1.

@pavlor

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November 12 2001 archive works for BB1.

ty. too many archives to check.

eab is posting a number of links as well

I've not checked the links for validity though.

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@number6,
I found one that looks live but will not post it here. PM me.

On what kind of Vendetta are they, Hyperion.

They really look like a sad child that does not get what he wants, now sees he's losing against Apollo, and starts to frustrate everyone and everything...

Makes me wonder whether Trump is Hyperion shareholder....

@spud101

Apollo plays no role here. If Hyperion really targeted Apollo, "ApolloOS" would be the first victim (and rightly so). Blame Cloanto, who started this circus earlier this year and now everyone went crazy to secure their assets.

@QuikSanz

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I found one that looks live but will not post it here. PM me.

Oh, I don't require it. I have a full 3.x install on an A4000 and a 4.x install on a Micro.
I was just trying to help people, as you were.

But you bring up a good point I think. I also avoided a direct link to the files because erm....

@Hyperion/Cloanto/Haage&Partner and any individual developers protecting their own IP...

If you take issue with people posting any direct links to OS3.x material these days, due the legal wranglings...Please PM the following and they will do their best to edit posts.

tomazkid (tommi)
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@pavlor

I know, but it seems they're on a mission to frustrate anything Classic, out of frustration of not having enough AOS4 market share.

Where you see that other companies slowly start to come together to maybe sometimes consider some sort of joint Amiga intiative, Hyperion is acting stupid and simply frustrating all this.

Cloanto, Jens & P96, this, etc.

It seems they rather drag the whole community with them in their abyss then setting their own stake a side a bit and support the community as a whole.

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