@A1200

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defend the rights of our licensees.

^ That doesn't sound optional, does it?

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@number6

It seems to me if the plaintiff is being represented by Gordon E.R. Troy, the defendant will likely use a Trojan Horse.

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@A1200

In that case the proceedings should take place in "paris".

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@WolfToTheMoon

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WolfToTheMoon wrote: @Simon [quote]Hyperion/Hermans ended up doing far greater damage to Amiga/OS4 then McEwen ever did. IMHO, of course.

How by saving AmigaOS 4.x from the Christmas Card Maker type oblivion Amiga Inc were famed for?

I guess this guy could have used the source code to sell T-Shirts?!



What exactly do you think Amiga Inc was capable of bringing to market. A mouse mat and mouse combo pack would have been beyond them

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@ribdevil

You're not the sharpest tool are you?
Do you understand that e-uae is a continuation of uae? It has been supported by Cloanto.
Just because something is freeware doesn't mean development wasn't funded.

Long story short, yes, you do have things Cloanto have paid for and are using them.
The simple fact is it was *given* not charged for, yet you begrudge them for not selling you things?

And you've missed the point and contradicted yourself in back to back sentences, but clearly you're not really interested in reality, but would rather just bitch about things you're (selectively) clueless about.

What have Cloanto done? Theyve given us things that other people now charge for.

Never heard of personal font, personal page, etc. by the way?
What about Apollo/Vampire? How about the recent open hardware like mnt2000?

These things all benefit because of what Cloanto has *given* the Amiga.

@wawa

Two pronged attack though.
Bring one down while supporting others

And yes, they're doing a good job already of destroying themselves, but it's a bit slow winded for my tastes.
Giving their self destruction plan a bit of a nudge can only be a good thing surely?

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bison wrote: @pavlor Quote: Interesting enough, I had dream tonight: "AmigaOS" based on Linux, but with its own GUI. For old can like me, it was a nightmare, but others may like this idea. I have always liked the idea.

nooo use DragonFLY BDS....

@StarF

your dream was sort of true LOL

https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=commodore

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@ribdevil

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ribdevil wrote: @Zylesea 1. Why Amiga must be open source ? 2. Why not Morphos ? 3. And do you know where are the source code of Aros ? 4. What other Amiga product, apart an emulator ( based in WINUAE, a free emulator ) made Cloanto ?

1. For the very simple reason that the original platform is commercially dead for 20 years, its more and more shrinking community is now formed by a few hundreds of very vocal fanolds, and 20 years in the IT industry are like 4 zoologic eras. Recent and less recent facts just demonstrated that there is NO real market and NO real value into further developments, except for some lonely heros (Trevor and few else) that probably are billionaires who wish to become millionaires. Every commercial project in the Amiga community is more likely a goodly-organized amateur one and when you base all of your future earnings on few dozens on 'preorders' before starting 'production', whell, you have your answer to why only the open source route still makes some sense.

2. I have many times expressed my opinion that MorphOS should become open source as well. Moreover, it should be the first one to become open since AROS already is. Having MorphOS opened would dramatically speed up both AROS and MorphOS developments, eventually leading to a meet up of the projects that would definitely help and improve BOTH.

3. It's on www.aros.org where it has always been, easily and freely downloadable by anyone who would like to give it a peek (and, why not, some further development).

4. Cloanto has a long story in Amiga applications development and Amiga preservation. If really Hyperion cared about Amiga brand IP, well, it should have secured it with Amiga Inc in the past and be quick re-registering it after Amiga Inc's demise. Cloanto does what every company does: looks for profitable assets and invest money where it think it can get money from.

@StarF

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nooo use DragonFLY BDS....

I like DragonFly a lot. For starters, it's smaller than Linux, and has a more coherent design. But Linux has advantages.

1. It has better software support. It's easy to get Netflix working on Linux. I'm not sure this is even possible with DragonFly.

2. It runs on both x86-64 and ARMv8. Dragonfly is x86-64 only.

Most people using a desktop environment couldn't tell the difference between the two anyway.

If I were building a system like this (and I'm not) I would target a single hardware platform, which makes testing easier ("possible" might be a better word), use OpenRC (instead of systemd), glibc for dynamic linking, musl libc for static linking, BusyBox for the Unix environment, a custom Wayland compositor for the UI, and FS-UAE for running 68K software.

But, alas, none of this is going to happen. If it does, it won't be called Amiga.

Update: new year's resolution: to be a better speller.

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@paolone

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20 years in the IT industry are like 4 zoologic eras.

Correction: geological. Otherwise I agree.

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@bison
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use OpenRC (instead of systemd)

Heresy. HERESY I say.

Don't you know that the 'experts' cream their jeans when systemd is even mentioned,
and you would take that away from them?

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@bison

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If I were building a system like this (and I'm not) I would target a single hardware platform, which makes testing easier ("possible" might be a better word), use OpenRC (instead of systemd), glibc for dynamic linking, musl libc for static linking, BusyBox for the Unix environment, a custom Wayland compositor for the UI, and FS-UAE for running 68K software. But, alas, none of this is going to happen.

Huh, you are just describing a Gentoo system with FS-UAE, it has most likely already happened.

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@Signal

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...and you would take that away from them?

I'll give them back their plain-text log files, which should be a fair exchange.

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@kolla

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Huh, you are just describing a Gentoo system with FS-UAE, it has most likely already happened.

Well, except for the custom Wayland compositor, which is an open-ended component. It could end up being nearly anything.

If I were to build such a system (and I'm not planning to), I would probably start with Gentoo for the prototype.

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@bison

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Well, except for the custom Wayland compositor, which is an open-ended component.

You mean Wayland support in FS-UAE itself?
Everything else exists, AFAIK.

A temporary solution would of course be to use XWayland for the FS-UAE display.

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If I were to build such a system (and I'm not planning to), I would probably start with Gentoo for the prototype.

Yes, it's a great meta-distro for such prototyping.

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@kolla

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You mean Wayland support in FS-UAE itself?

No, the compositor/window manager/display server. There are some out there -- Kwin, Mutter, Enlightenment, Weston, etc., but I'm not keen on any of them.

My current favorite X11 DE is the Pi Foundation's version of LXDE, which is not exactly cutting edge, but they put some real design work into it.

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@WolfToTheMoon

Correction: ITEC LLC sent Hyperion a check for 25000 USD by UPS after the judge in Seattle ruled that Amiga Inc. was "unlikley to prevail on the merits of the case".

The cheque was returned, UNCASHED, to Itec LLC which then started a new lawsuit in NY against Hyperion which it lost and lost again on appeal.

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@cgutjahr

Quite right. Why anyone protests Cloanto is beyond me. They paid good money for the rights to the roms. If anything Hyperion is the real problem but the fanboys will NEVER realize that.

Also kind of funny (well sad) is Olaf was one of the key players that started the whole red v blue war. So not sure how much he cares about the "community"

@realize

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So not sure how much he cares about the "community"

Whatever. He does care about the product.

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