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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 12-Aug-2018 13:59:19
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Sorry to break your dream, but you still have to wait until any sort of Unix is running as the main system (at least the kernel). |
But! 2018 is the year of desktop Linux hitting mainstream! (Like every year since 1998) |
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 12-Aug-2018 14:05:38
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 12-Aug-2018 20:02:36
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Linux is not unix, but macOS is. Last edited by kolla on 12-Aug-2018 at 08:02 PM.
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 12-Aug-2018 20:35:48
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| @kolla
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Linux is not unix, but macOS is. |
Well...its a hybrid version of BSD, so I guess that's close enough.
And there is Sun's Solaris (Unix System V Release 4 SVR4, not BSD) which can run of hardware from third party vendors. |
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 12-Aug-2018 20:48:15
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Well...its a hybrid version of BSD, so I guess that's close enough. |
macOS is an officially certified UNIX.
https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/xy.htm
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And there is Sun's Solaris (Unix System V Release 4 SVR4, not BSD) which can run of hardware from third party vendors. |
You should keep up with the times, Sun does not exist since 2010, it's Oracle today :)_________________ B5D6A1D019D5D45BCC56F4782AC220D8B3E2A6CC |
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 12-Aug-2018 23:09:13
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Sorry, your right, Satan's server company, Oracle. I used to miss Sun.
And I don't get the "officially certified" thing with BSD/OSX.
Anyway, UNIX, Linux either way, not my cup of tea.
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 13-Aug-2018 1:40:17
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Linux is not unix, but macOS is. |
There are (or used to be) one or two Chinese Linux distributions that are certified Unix 03. So it's possible, although it seems kind of pointless.
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 13-Aug-2018 15:40:11
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My main complaint with shell syntax is that it requires a certain magical sequence of whitespace to work correctly. I almost think that it's not really parsing code into a tree, but doing line-by-line lexographical analysis and putting information in a list or table, sort of like what tcl does. |
That's what I found out myself. It can be very strict. Though I tend to find things just didn't work in scripts rather than throw and obvious error and stop.
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And I'm not crazy about the Algol68 syntax either, especially spelling keywords backwards to end a block. |
Yes the if...fi seemed a bit strange to me as well.
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I think that would have worked 15 or 20 years ago, but maybe as a group we've become too ossified in the years since. We are deep into "we've always done it this way" territory. |
I tend to doubt we would have accepted it. It would have been another of those "Anti Amiga" things. Though seeing an implementation of what CAOS was meant to be would have been good. |
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 13-Aug-2018 15:52:34
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Sorry ... for my bad English. |
What was the bad English?
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Linux Kernel + bash (and associated libraries, of course). Workbench on top of that would be a dream. |
This? Last edited by Hypex on 13-Aug-2018 at 05:46 PM.
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 13-Aug-2018 15:57:36
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I totally agree, the lines between un*x and windows are blurring out. I would not be surprised if Microsoft will ship a Windows Desktop for Linux at some point - which pretty much will be equivalent to... AROS hosted. |
Doesn't this exist already? It's called WINE. |
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 13-Aug-2018 16:18:08
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It is ironic, here everyone saying the delay of AMIGA and most propose to Linux as an alternative, do you know that in AMIGA we have ( for example), 3D drivers that linux has not yet, nor are expected ?
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 13-Aug-2018 17:58:15
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Amithlon (The emulator part) wasn't but Amiga OS 3.9 was there and it was adapted to run on top of a highly customized Amiga emulator as you described. |
Without changing any OS code AFAIK aside form including some drivers.
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Otherwise why would they have used an emulator? |
To run 68K code. But I was referring to this which implied Amithlon was an AmigaOS.
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You can't deny that Amithlon was (is ?) the fastest Amiga OS ever |
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To do that the AROS coders had to reverse engineer everything and port it to Intel. |
That's a bit overkill. Since they intended to reimplement it, reverse engineering everything wasn't needed. They just needed to copy the API functions so it was source compatible to Amiga programs. The API and OS structures already public. |
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 14-Aug-2018 20:28:17
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Well, build "intuition_lnx" has been very easy, I already have the first alpha version.
Next challenge: WorkBench_lnx ...
Does anyone know if the WB1.3 sources are available?
With educational purposes, of course ....
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 15-Aug-2018 10:45:25
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some time 3.1 sources leaked but were removed after a short time and sources are not legal (for what purpose ever). The only OS where sources are legal available (and most parts are reimplemented) because Open Source is AROS
http://aros.sourceforge.net/de/
it not only includes a desktop (both Wanderer (the aros desktop) and Scalos), reimplementation of MUI and many libraries and it compiles with modern compilers (the old sources did not). If you want to do something that is best chance. |
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 15-Aug-2018 12:41:20
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Does anyone know if the WB1.3 sources are available? |
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 15-Aug-2018 15:18:43
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 15-Aug-2018 16:40:31
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My purpose is to verify that this path exists, that we can earn more than what is lost. I may be wrong, but the only way I can think of is trying. That's why I prefer WB1.3, it should be simpler and easier; my "Intuition_lnx" is quite simple and I think WB1.3 will be too.
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 15-Aug-2018 16:53:44
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aros incorporates 1.3 and BCPL compatibility on m68k target for what i know. i have been reassured about this by toni just lately, because someone else, somewhere else has been questioning this again and toni got aware of it. |
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Re: Would it be better to have Amiga as just an OS? Posted on 16-Aug-2018 9:27:39
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as I wrote 3.1 sources leaked some time ago but were removed a short time after. Looking in them is already illegal even if only for interest (without using them at all)
I am not aware that there are any 1.3 sources but there certainly would be the same
If you want to look in sources Aros is (from what I know) your only realistic option |
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