@Zylesea

Ooops ! Sorry, you are totally right ! I have an iBook G4 1Ghz, a PowerBook G4 1,67Ghz and a Mac Mini G4 1,5 I'm using right now and I totally forgot them.

And you're right : it's used hardware but also available in quantity (limited to old hardware such as Radeon 9xxx nonetheless).

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@Zylesea

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morphOS team announced several times they will not support Tabor (because of the non standard cpu).

I'm sorry to be reminded of that I don't know what a Raptor µATX board is but it sounds cool!

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@BigD

I assume this:
https://www.raptorcs.com/

@monstercoder Quote:

monstercoder wrote: @wawa Whats your point? just give matthey a chance to show how great he is.

Matt has nothing to show/prove.

@OlafS25

https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Blackbird

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@bison

4-core with 3.1 Ghz?

Sounds not bad

@OlafS25

It could be a nice system for MorphOS, especially if the price is low enough.

I'm curious to know if OS4 can be made to run on it. A-EON almost certainly has too much invested in Tabor to change plans now, but this is a much better platform from a technical point of view.

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@bison

Trevor is doing it as a kind of expensive hobby obviously but he certainly has invested a bigger amount of money in the development of the tabor boards and wants to get the money back by selling. He will certainly not invest in another hardware until he has at least earned his investments.

@OlafS25

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Trevor is doing it as a kind of expensive hobby obviously but he certainly has invested a bigger amount of money in the development of the tabor boards and wants to get the money back by selling.

I have not yet fully watched all AmiWest 2018 videos. Is Tabor now for sale?

@AmeegaGuy

No

as I understand it next year

@AmeegaGuy

Before May 2019.

Source: Trevor Dickinson on the Stephen Jones Kickstarter CheckMate Case comments section.

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@OlafS25

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Trevor is doing it as a kind of expensive hobby obviously but he certainly has invested a bigger amount of money in the development of the tabor boards and wants to get the money back by selling. He will certainly not invest in another hardware until he has at least earned his investments.

Yes, I'm sure that's right. But Trevor always says jokingly that he "swings both ways," so maybe sometime in the future he will create a MorphOS system based on better hardware than Tabor. Or maybe Hyperion will port OS4 to better hardware, although that seems less likely.

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@OlafS25

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as I understand it next year

Q1 2019, according to Trevor at AmiWest. Taken literally this would be no later that March 31, although of course anything involving software development can go well past the due date.

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@matthey

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I would rather have Olsen and ThoR enhancing a lighter weight version of the AmigaOS for 68k.

I didn't explicitly mean adopting OS4 code when I said adding OS4 features.

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CosmosUnivers wrote: Elbox block the PCI stuff, our Amiga elites are against any progress for the Amiga Classic 68k. A come back is impossible : no more users, no more coders, no more drivers, no more software...

Please don't lump Amiga entities together. Trying to make money and risking your own money brings a different perspective on capitalism. Some of the entities are likely just as frustrated at being blocked by others. Yes, Elbox and Hyperion appear to me to be blockers which is to their own detriment. APIs which do not proliferate die and they end up with less drivers for their hardware which decreases the value.

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Hope John Hertell will reverse Mediator and crack the Mach...

I hope you want the Mach chip reverse engineered for interoperability and ideas for improvement and not just re-implementation/pirating of the hardware. Benjamin Vernoux (OpenPCI) did some reverse engineering of the Mediator and he has been helpful in our communications. Did you ask him what information he has?

We certainly could have made faster W3D Permedia/Voodoo drivers if we could have figured out how to convert the register maps to big endian. I tried several things. Perhaps with Elbox's help we could have done it but it is difficult enough just getting a response from them. Their ethics are highly suspect after charging for an off the shelf PCI USB board while pirating the software for it. I don't want to sign an NDA with a company like that. Hyperion is also ethically challenged. Olsen and ThoR do most of the work and sacrifice to create a product and they take all the profit without a hint of remorse. I don't want to support them with purchases let alone sign an NDA with them. I'm content to wait until they go bankrupt again before I get AmigaOS 3.1.4. It looks like Hyperion has been trying to slow down the cash burn by slowing development for some time so hopefully they will be gone soon. Maybe A-Eon won't be blocked with them out of the way. At least they are more 68k friendly and share profits with developers.

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monstercoder wrote: Whats your point? just give matthey a chance to show how great he is. He created a greatly improved warp3d library but does not want to share it ;(

Please contact A-Eon about updated versions of Warp3D for the 68k. They may have plans for an "official" update where "unofficial" updates can be confusing and disruptive.

Hand optimizing large amounts of code is not very productive (slow and error prone). The Warp3D.library should have been identified as poorly optimized and recompiled. This could have been done in a fraction of the time but hand optimizing Warp3D.library made a point. It embarrasses Hyperion and some of its top developers who left the 68k Warp3D in a very poor state of optimization and including some nasty bugs. Maybe you can get away with this kind of bloat on PPC where it goes unnoticed but the 68k is different. The 68k code is friendly enough that many developers can look at disassembled code and see potential bugs and how well optimized it is. Even this doesn't matter if developers don't take pride in their work. Ironically, PPC is as dead now as the 68k was when 68k Warp3D development was stopped (no new designs) but there are new 68k CPU designs in FPGA today.

@bison

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I'm curious to know if OS4 can be made to run on it.

Qemu with kvm acceleration?

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I find the whole "3D issue" on Amiga rather bemusing... it is a platform that barely had any "3D software" and close to none exclusive 3D software, and all the development has more value as proof of concepts and "fun with benchmarks" than being of any actual use. Anyone with a smart phone has a device with more 3D capabilities (thanks to for example MALI) than Amiga ever had or ever will have, so why are so many obsessed with this? There is much larger and more important low-hanging fruit to be picked.

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@kolla

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Anyone with a smart phone has a device with more 3D capabilities (thanks to for example MALI) than Amiga ever had or ever will have, so why are so many obsessed with this? There is much larger and more important low-hanging fruit to be picked.

I assume that you have just thrown the AmigaOne machines out as not being Amigas. Shame on you if that is your view

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@matthey

> who would likely have good things to say about me.

Yes You (and Cosmos) are the better 68k expert that I knows.