Add 4core CPU, and ram, and its cheaper and infinately more powerful than an x5000 and even most hex86 stuff.
https://hackaday.com/2018/11/26/a-sub-1000-non-x86-motherboard/
https://www.raptorcs.com/content/BK1MB1/intro.html
You Can run a sam460/40 under emulation , and a g3/4/5 Mac under virtualization
https://www.talospace.com/2018/08/making-your-talos-ii-into-power-mac.html?m=1
Best yet it comes with a working Linux.

Will 4.2 be 64 bit?
Not that it matters, we can run 4.1FE as a sam460 under emulation and mos and Moana under full kvm-hv virtualisation

The current fastest supercomputer in the world, Summit, is based on POWER9, while also using Nvidia's Volta GPUs as accelerators.

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The system at full load power consumption is to be under 100 Watts paired with a quad-core IBM POWER9 processor.

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this is awesome news! So for Amiga PPC users/programmers does this mean we can compile PPC programs for AmigaOS to POWER ??

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This blogpost by the one and only Cameron Kaiser will answer your question quite well!. It follows on from the the first blog I linked to up above. https://www.talospace.com/2018/08/making-your-talos-ii-into-power-mac_29.html?m=1

There are only 2 instructions the power 9 has over g3/4cpus which are small cache instructions, the power9 instructions support more. The KVM software traps them and deals with them. The power9 CPU is from the same family as the g5 ;) so all is good.
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thanks for the info & just really WoW for AmigaOS moving forward

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Pretty darn awesome

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Now there is a part 2.

Notice the last paragraph. Talospace

G4 7400. So perhaps even MorphOS.

There is also some Linux news and mention of X1000. Talospace

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so cool Linux 5.0 has made improvements for the PA6T for us X1000 owners oh & also POWER users

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There was a recent topic on the POWER9 Raptor Blackbird here.

https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=43080&forum=33&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0

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Barana wrote: The system at full load power consumption is to be under 100 Watts paired with a quad-core IBM POWER9 processor.

A Raspberry Pi at full load is under 10W which saves the cost of a heat sink and fan. The POWER9 cooler assembly costs more than twice as much as the whole Raspberry Pi.

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hackaday article wrote: Raptor Engineering have just released a motherboard that isn’t x86 and doesn’t cost as much as a cheap car. The Blackbird mainboard is designed for an IBM Power9 CPU and it only costs $800.

The Raspberry Pi and competitor CPUs only cost $35.

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hackaday article wrote: Add in a four-core CPU and the total cost comes out to about $1200.

The Raspberry Pi and competitors include a 4 core CPU for $35.

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hackaday article wrote: Add in some ECC RAM and you’re still under two grand.

The Raspberry Pi and competitors include 1GiB of ram for $35.

We added up the cost of POWER9 Raptor Blackbird systems for AmigaOS and they would likely be $1700+ U.S. It is less than a "cheap car" but probably out of the range of what most Amiga users would consider affordable.

@matthey

You are a smart man, so you do understand that your comparisons are meaningless?

This is about Amiga OS4 wich wount't ever run Rasp Pi.

So you bother to comment? You are not interested and you are not planning to buy any up coming OS4 compatiable mobos. Why not just be happy for those who are interrested PPC and Amiga OS4?

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Does Amiga OS4 run on this mobo?

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You don't see any difference?

@Barana

How many times are we going to post about these P9 computers? We don't even have all the drivers for our current systems (Ethernet, Audio, etc). We don't have multicore support. We don't have 64bit addressing. Dream all you want, but until Hyperion steps up its game and writes the drivers and goes 64bit, all for not.

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utri007 wrote: @matthey You are a smart man, so you do understand that your comparisons are meaningless?

Sure. I was just making fun of the hackaday article. They made it sound like a non x86 motherboard was so special and cheap but there are plenty of cheap ARM alternatives.

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This is about Amiga OS4 wich wount't ever run Rasp Pi. So you bother to comment? You are not interested and you are not planning to buy any up coming OS4 compatiable mobos. Why not just be happy for those who are interrested PPC and Amiga OS4?

It is a good idea to link past posts which are similar. Mods on some servers even combine the threads.
There is some good info in the other thread (more so than the hackaday article).

I am not against POWER for the high end AmigaOS. I would not be interested in AmigaOS 4 for POWER without SMP and better memory protection but I expect this will break compatibility or the AmigaOS 4 devs (and MorphOS devs) would have added it sometime during the last decade. It is quite a waste and expense to only have one thread on POWER9 which supports a minimum of 16 threads.

@utri007

I do not. Wishful thinking is wishful thinking no matter the wish.

@matthey

Even on a classic the PPC can be used as a second cpu in a multicore unaware 68K system, so maybe a new implementation of Warpup / Rewarp is an option :)

@Barana

4 Weeks away from Amiga World and nothing has changed.. except even fewer people around.
Oh, there are Sketchblock & Paint updates, nice, thanks @broadblues Andy!

Well, what about we ask @TrevorDick and @amigakit Matthew to think about a very good business plan. All the current generation machines shall just be tagged as "Vintage",
and they produce just one machine equipped with this mystical Power 9.
All the software/driver development for the current generation machines stops (also Tabor) and an Upgrade option is offered: give in your old machine, get a discount on the new one.

So Hyperion or whoever wins the name will just have to support one and only one machine.
If the business plan sounds goods, I would be willing to support a Kickstart er 4.x campaign. But I will probably be the only one.

So this idea is as silly as every other one.
it really feels like there are not much more than 100 people left here.

This last Hyperion vs Cloanto thing seems to have killed it for good.

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AMP would work but doesn't give the SMP efficiency or feel of improved multitasking for general purpose processing. OpenCL could also be used on the free cores but is even less efficient. Partial 64 bit support could be added as Apple did on the PPC in the beginning as well. Combining AMP and partial 64 bit support would allow threads to be allocated to do CPU intensive 64 bit processing. Most of the time, cores and threads would be idle lacking software for a few hundred POWER Amiga users. AMP just wouldn't cut it for the desktop, workstations and servers where SMP is the standard. For embedded, it often makes sense to dedicate certain repetitious tasks to one core so AMP is more realistic.

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I own a POWER9 and have no delusions of ever having AOS/MOS running on this beast. All I can say is, it would be nice.

People are working on having the Sam460 working under QEMU. The Talos runs QEMU. If it runs well enough there may be a small market for AOS/MOS on POWER9.

The G4 Mac also runs under QEMU using the mc7400 emulation, (MOS?). Didn't Hyperion have a AOS on G4 Mac project?
Also the A1se/A1xe used single core 7400 series cpu's.

So if Hyperion resurected that project it could lead to another outlet for their product.

And, I would bet more Amiga(ish) people would buy these higher end monsters no matter how many others complain about living in complete poverty.

I also have a RPi 3b. You have got to be joking about using that as an Amiga.

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Signal wrote: I own a POWER9 and have no delusions of ever having AOS/MOS running on this beast. All I can say is, it would be nice. People are working on having the Sam460 working under QEMU. The Talos runs QEMU. If it runs well enough there may be a small market for AOS/MOS on POWER9. The G4 Mac also runs under QEMU using the mc7400 emulation, (MOS?). Didn't Hyperion have a AOS on G4 Mac project? Also the A1se/A1xe used single core 7400 series cpu's. So if Hyperion resurected that project it could lead to another outlet for their product.

Yes, the POWER9 can virtualize PPC Macs so it should be close to running MorphOS.

https://www.talospace.com/2018/08/making-your-talos-ii-into-power-mac.html

AROS supports KVM and virtualization but it looks like the x86_64 CPU would have to be emulated. AROS PPC has been neglected even though it could offer SMP support if AmigaOS 4 and MorphOS compatibility was broken. MorphOS or old versions of AmigaOS 4 for the Mac would only use one thread although this is no worse performance than UAE on x86_64 hardware and other OSs could use SMP to take advantage of the majority of the performance. Virtualization is convenient but inefficient, has limitations and can be buggy.

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And, I would bet more Amiga(ish) people would buy these higher end monsters no matter how many others complain about living in complete poverty. I also have a RPi 3b. You have got to be joking about using that as an Amiga.

It's not really about poverty for most people. Many people would rather buy a mobile device they can use more often, have limited space and computer needs, would rather have a game machine for their desktop monster or have higher priority uses for their money. Many people are not even choosing a desktop which is why they are on the decline. These little devices aren't really that bad of performance either. A Raspberry Pi 3 using 4 cores will outperform the POWER9 using one thread in some cases. Let's look at some 7-Zip benchmarks for compressing and decompressing (higher is better).

POWER9 3.8GHz (1 thread) 4090 3140
ARM Cortex-A53 1.5GHz (4 cores) 2630 5940

https://www.7-cpu.com/

The Cortex-A53 is running at 40% of the clock frequency of the POWER9 but overall outperforms in these benchmarks given 4 cores vs one POWER9 thread. POWER9 using virtualization will have less performance so maybe you should benchmark before calling the Raspberry Pi 3 performance a joke. PPC Amigas have less performance than the POWER9 and no SMP so they too are sometimes outperformed by the Raspberry Pi using SMP.

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