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OneTimer1 
Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
Posted on 5-Jan-2020 22:25:34
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@asymetrix

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The vampire could be a developers dream, to simulate a basic x86 system with fixed audio/video that could use it as as a simulated, but accurate virtual PC - a programmers simulation device, to test hardware and software.


Well, I bought a PC (AMD Ryzen) motherboard with GFX, Audio CPU and 16GB of RAM for a price around 300 ... this is a dream for a developer. I believe a UAE on this runs circles around a VampireV4 that cost more.

The VampireV4 is IMHO the best newly build "Amiga" (I'm not talking about NG) but I don't see much chances for it outside the Amiga/Atari community.

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Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
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@OneTimer1

i guess, until aros multicore support on aros x86_64 is improved, you can use your machine with linux to crosscompile. honestly, either of these alternatives it will be likely more capable than trying to develop on m68k, winuae or any sorts of ppc, where only one core is supported and many tools will be missing, at least for some bigger projects.

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Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
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wawa wrote:
@OneTimer1

i guess, until aros multicore support on aros x86_64 is improved, you can use your machine with linux to crosscompile.


That's why I started learning SDL

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Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
Posted on 5-Jan-2020 23:09:23
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@OneTimer1


Can you gaurantee that Soundblaster would be compatible in windows 3.1 or in DOS programming via VGA ?
Which version of Linux will gaurantee that I can program compatible chipsets or hardware ?

Which emulator can you trust with limited latency and accuracy ?

Just because something is new or cheap does not make it easy to program in real mode assember or Win16/ 32 API and yes using floppies/cds that install software and developer kits.

Do you trust virtual machines wont glitch up on you ?

Amiga programming is as bare metal as you can get easily and should be taken advantage of in terms of having control of software without interference from the Operating System.

Im currently trying to understand the windows datatype system.

Its your system do what you find fun with :D

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Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
Posted on 5-Jan-2020 23:12:20
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@wawa

You propose to run AROS, I propose you can install anything even Windows for example. Thats all.

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wawa 
Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
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@asymetrix

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You propose to run AROS,


i dont even propose anything. aros has been chosen by the apollo team as default. thats all. it has nothing to do with me.

Quote:
I propose you can install anything even Windows for example.


i dont think you are stupid, so whats your point making absurd proposals? just to argue? i guess you can install some old windows version on vamp under emulation, it has been demonstrated afair. but what does it have to do with development except to prove the point? valid options are elsewhere.

Quote:
Thats all.


i hope.

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MEGA_RJ_MICAL 
Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
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The VampireV4 is IMHO the best newly build "Amiga" (I'm not talking about NG) but I don't see much chances for it outside the Amiga/Atari community.


Does anyone really believe that ANY of the new "Amiga" stuff, from Sam to X1000 to X5000 to Vampire to Aros to Morphos to Amigaos 4, will ever be of any relevance outside our pathetic bunch?

Anyway. Aros, which was the logical choice, has already been logically chosen by the Vampire team as Wawa pointed out. HOORAY FOR COMMON SENSE!!

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Last edited by MEGA_RJ_MICAL on 06-Jan-2020 at 12:41 AM.
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wawa 
Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

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Does anyone really believe that ANY of the new "Amiga" stuff, from Sam to X1000 to X5000 to Vampire to Aros to Morphos to Amigaos 4, will ever be of any relevance outside our pathetic bunch?


i, for my part, do not. but it is fun to contribute somehow to something open that may or may not be of relevance for others.

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tygre 
Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
Posted on 6-Jan-2020 1:51:14
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@wawa

Totally agree!

+1

Cheers!

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MEGA_RJ_MICAL 
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@wawa

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wawa wrote:
@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

Quote:
Does anyone really believe that ANY of the new "Amiga" stuff, from Sam to X1000 to X5000 to Vampire to Aros to Morphos to Amigaos 4, will ever be of any relevance outside our pathetic bunch?


i, for my part, do not. but it is fun to contribute somehow to something open that may or may not be of relevance for others.


I'm with you on that.

That's why Aros looks to me the only "Amiga" software project based on common sense rather than wild dreams of mainstream impact.

That's why the Vampire standalone looks to me the only "Amiga" hardware project that is based on common sense as well and caters to us, the pathetic bunch, rather than aspiring to be something more.

That's why they should get married and have wild, wet intercourse at frequencies that the most powerful 68k from the days of yore couldn't even dream of.

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Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

Are you on drugs?

Seriously...

(Asking for a friend)

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MEGA_RJ_MICAL 
Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
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Friend outlawal2!

I will not take offense at your unpleasant insinuation, and provide you with a polite, mature answer instead.

I am not on drugs, my friend and comrade and fora companion. I am merely an enthusiast, veemently expressing my opinions within the confines of decency.

An enthusiast! With the heart of a child within the decaying body of an old engineer who has seen and fought and won and lost oh so many battles.

I hope my answer provided you sufficient information.
In truth,

MEGA_RJ_MICAL, ESQUIRE

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kolla 
Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
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What I like most about the V4 is that it follows the long standing tradition of offering hardware without any software support - iike the onboard NIC - this truly is NG Amiga

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wawa 
Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
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Aros developers are on top gear also on driver front. Have patience. Also instead of bickering about os 3.2 you could join on improving aros. But beware, gunnar is taking part as well.

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tlosm 
Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
Posted on 7-Jan-2020 8:48:58
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@wawa

I think have aros 64 bit full compatible for ARM (pi 4) will be a really good springboard for make the Amiga like OS know for the public.
For sure have it in the rasperry pi OS list will make a good pubblicity.
I had just buy it a PI 4 4Gb and i become really enthusiast about it performances ... it now overkill my quad G5 everyware.

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Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
Posted on 7-Jan-2020 9:05:17
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@tlosm

My new Amiga is a Pi 4 and yes i agree it is very very good,the real Amiga's i have are old and tired and want to run free with the C64 ZX81 and Orics in my attic :)

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wawa 
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Posted on 7-Jan-2020 9:44:18
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@tlosm

As far as i understand michals priorities the arm port will use big endian and his arm jit emu to run m68k system, drivers and binaries. Native port seems postponed.

Last edited by wawa on 07-Jan-2020 at 09:45 AM.

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terminills 
Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
Posted on 7-Jan-2020 11:31:48
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@wawa

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As far as i understand michals priorities the arm port will use big endian and his arm jit emu to run m68k system, drivers and binaries. Native port seems postponed.


Not quite. His current plan is for the native port to actually be the one running on top of his Emu so it becomes a standard binary type for all ARM devices 32 or 64bit.

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tlosm 
Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
Posted on 7-Jan-2020 11:53:43
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@wawa

i dont know why BE and not LE.
i think will be more simple port from x86_64 to Arm LE and not from X86_64 to Arm BE because endianess.

about PI4 i was shocked when i sow bleder benchmark and hardinfo gave me results better then the quad g5 and the Broadcom have performances in 3D near the 6570HD

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wawa 
Re: Vampire V4 and AROS
Posted on 7-Jan-2020 12:17:21
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@terminills

Isnt that what i said roughly?

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