@Rob

What you expect from thread considering who started it.

@Rob

What's pointless is all the money and resources wasted on fighting over these pieces of graphics :)

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@TRIPOS

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Wayne Hunt, the original founder of Amiga.org.

Not according to Trevor:

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The logo itself was created by Amiga graphic artist Kevin Saunders.

Source

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@Rose

Sorry Rose,
you need to come to terms with this irreversible truth:

Amigaworld.net, albeit originally founded by David Doyle, has now ushered into THE AGE OF MEGA_RJ_MICAL.

Thanks for your cooperation,
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Amigaworld.net, albeit originally founded by David Doyle, has now ushered into THE AGE OF MEGA_RJ_MICAL.

Actually that's easy to believe since attitude of the owner seems to be.

http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction/itwhunt_en.php

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That's one opinion, that no one asked for


It's a fine representation of the history of the Amiga

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Argo wrote: @MEGA_RJ_MICAL That's one opinion, that no one asked for It's a fine representation of the history of the Amiga

Right, friend Argo, right.

Here's a fine representation of the European Union, then

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@kolla

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kolla wrote: - the boingball, original Amiga A1000 logo, owned, but not used by CBM, re-established as an official Amiga logo with ESCOM Amiga Technology

It's true that the rainbow checkmark and boing ball originates from the same original machine, but only the checkmark was used as a design mark while the boing ball was merely as a tech demo for a show and was never used as a design mark on actual products.




Doesn't get more "original design mark" than that, right?

Indeed no (R) there, but you will spot a (TM).

It was also used in all Kickstart boot images post v1.3



"All Rights Reserved".

It was also used inside the OS as a symbol for Amiga on disk icons:



The "Amiga History" website shows that the post-Commodore "Amiga Technologies" used the rainbow checkmark design mark on manuals...



...and that the boing ball was only introduced later by "Amiga International".



The Commodore (or rather Village Tronic Marketing) manuals didn't use neither the rainbow checkmark (though a "rainbow" is kind of there) nor the boing ball, but instead seems to be focusing on the mark "AMIGA" written in ITC Garamond Italic (?) font...



...but again, the checkmark design mark has still been used in the boot-screen since 1991(?), thus it has been actively used in actual products the whole time, the 2.0-3.1 has been available from Cloanto since 1997 and still is. It was never "abandoned". Cloanto has also since then put to market "Workbench 3.X", and they now own the Commodore IP including Amiga OS from earliest version.

I'm baffled by how much the rainbow checkmark is downplayed by some people with revisionistic memory. I'd say that the rainbow checkmark is the most recognized Amiga design mark of them all. Especially among people who were using the *Commodore* Amiga's back in the days, and then left. They will probably still remember the checkmark and put it at a similar brand recognition level as the "C=" or Atari's logotype. Some will probably recognize the boing ball as well, but not necessarily as an Amiga design mark, but perhaps more because of the historical and famous A1000 demo.

The "boing ball" as an Amiga design mark is more associated with post-Commodore (especially 3.5/3.9 boxes, "Powered By Amiga" stickers etc) and "NG" stuff in general I would say, and (today) Hyperion's OS4 in particular. When it comes to the real 68k OS, the boing ball was only introduced in the Kickstart the other year by Hyperion in a legally challenged product, making it kind of a quasi product in this context.

@TRIPOS

My OS 3.0 manuals, by Commodore, did not have checkmarks on them. But all this is beside the point - the TM you are referring to, is for “Amiga” and not the checkmark, and _anyone_ were using it and have been using it, for decades, without any worries for licensing or royalties. That’s what abandoned means. And that’s why it can very much be considered public domain. AmigaKit now says they have licensed it from Cloanto, but that means nada - people have been making and selling cups, T-shirts, cases, stickers, magazines, web sites... for decades, using the rainbow checkmark. And noone ever held their feet to the fire for it.

Btw, speaking from experience, be careful when wearing t-shirt with rainbow checkmark when you go out for example in certain parts of San Francisco or Amsterdam, or worse.. Russia... it can very bring unwanted attention.

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https://forum.amiga.org/index.php?topic=71237.0

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@kolla

From the forum post:

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As far as I can tell, the boing ball logo on the system and keyboard were on the first run of Amiga 1000s in America.

My experience with Amiga goes back to Nov. 1985, and I've only seen check marks in the US. The A1000 on the cover of August 1985 Byte magazine has check marks. Has anyone seen an early A1000 with a Boing Ball logo?

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@bison

The best I could do with a quick search was here
https://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/media/download_photos/04d1f85e-1bf8-4c74-90a9-21a36bfb8ceb.jpg

And here

https://www.techradar.com/au/news/computing/computer-history-museum-to-host-rare-amiga-prototypes-1299687

Always thought the A1000 didn’t have a Boing Ball, but the read blurred markings suggest otherwise. ;)

@invent

A prototype seems likely. I recall some conversation someone had with Jay Miner way back, and IIRC Jay wanted to use the Boing Ball, but there were IP issues of some sort or other. It's lost in the fog of time...

The first image looks like it could be a retrofit.

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Back to the original point, would anyone sane of mind and with a modicum of taste prefer this



to this?



But actually, come think about it, the Amiga.org logo makes total sense!
It captures the two defining characteristics of the Amiga scene:

1. A pretense of being "one community" while each camp keeps its own flag high and no sense of unity exists at all

2. Complete disregard for design, UI/UX, and consistency.

I stand corrected!
VVVVVOOOOOOOORRRRRR!!!!

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I guess it does not matter what the logo looks like.

The LOGO is NOT the problem....

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Skateman wrote: @MEGA_RJ_MICAL I guess it does not matter what the logo looks like. The LOGO is NOT the problem....

It is not the problem, friend Skateman,
but it is a symptom of the problem.

That it exists in that form, is a symptom.
That people find it acceptable or even nice, is a symptom.

It stands for all that is wrong with today's "Amiga".

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@MEGA_RJ_MICAL

I can agree with that but what can you do?

The problem as group people that nostalgic about different time periods in Amiga history, we not unified in thinking that things should improve.

Over at Commodore Amiga group on Facebook there is long comment about how we should be using Amiga’s because genlocks is the greatest invention ever invented, I have not used genlock sense the 1990’s and I can’t image having a use for it this day.

(These days I use Elgato, that can-do lot of the same things but its HD video, and its PCIe so it can be plugged into my AmigaONE system in theory all it needs is some software and some drivers. But anyway I use to capture what do on Amiga, so who cares.)

But I guess if people wont to stick to distributing newly made software on floppy disks, and create games that are not HD installable, but instead depends on hardware virtualization techniques/hacks like whdload, then it becomes really hard to see future where you plug inn a upgrades. Where the games actually take advantage of any improvements.

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Anyway, I don’t believe that going around forum convincing people that there is better way actual works, the problem is lot deeper than that. What has to be done build software platforms that is top of OS, that enable to developers to take advantage of larger markets so they get an economic interest in making software that is hardware agnostic, only then can users be free to pick the hardware / OS platform that is right for there needs.

I don't see any advantage in looking backwards, all it does people building outdated systems, that can be emulated on x86, that don’t take advantage of new technology.

Then the argument becomes what if we buildt something, no one has seen before, well good luck with that, because no one have clue what that should be.

Lest assume someone made a game changer, who long do you think it take for chines and other copycats to not recreate that for Windows / Linux / MacOSX, its not uniqueness that sells its what you do with the system and price that attached to that that sells.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @MEGA_RJ_MICAL Lest assume someone made a game changer, who long do you think it take for chines and other copycats to not recreate that for Windows / Linux / MacOSX, its not uniqueness that sells its what you do with the system and price that attached to that that sells.

and I think for that it is the reason that Hyperion has say more-or-less-quote "Amiga is hoppy system". That is. Like super mega VVVOOOORR say, every camp fight for own like in real world chief-entities spread tomato-sauce on eyes of people who then get nationalistic and fight blue over red over black.. I think OS >2.x has kind of Blue, Red and Black in Kickstart background. A bit of everything. But stuck 20 century.

Btw, logo is collage.. more like puzzle, like situation.. puzzling!!

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