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hotrod 
Re: THEA500 Mini is coming!
Posted on 2-Sep-2021 23:35:29
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@fishy_fis

You sir shall stop getting triggered about things that doesn't matter. Can you do that?

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Re: THEA500 Mini is coming!
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Hammer Quote:

ARM spreads its expenses across embedded and mobile phone markets. Apple's M1 R&D has iTunes/App Store (walled garden) subsidies and multi-million units run.


ARM and Apple have built markets. It would be difficult for a startup company to match their success right away but there is plenty of room in the huge embedded market.

Hammer Quote:

So, your biz proposal is dependant on Apollo's AC68080 IP?


I was originally trying to help the Apollo team which I was a part of. Even with the Apollo core, I would assume that the work is only half way done to create a quality ASIC. My preference was to reduce the work needed to create an ASIC while Gunnar's preference was to hyper-optimize the core for an FPGA and ignore any preparation for an ASIC. The proposal does not have to use the Apollo core but it would be more work without an advanced 68k core to start with.

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There's baseline TG68 FPGA or do a licensing deal with NXP/Freescale's 68060 or ColdFire 5102 (includes 68EC040 compatibility) IP. AC68080 should be renamed into AC68EC080 since it's missing MMU, hence no embedded Linux 68K.


The TG68 core is not the best candidate to turn into an ASIC even though it may outperform the Apollo core in FPGA due to allowing significantly higher clock speeds and could likely be produced for minimal cost due to the small area. Transistors are cheap though and I believe it would be better to increase the performance/MHz to be more competitive. Obtaining the rights to use the 68060 design is an option and the professional design would draw interest. I wanted to bring in a professional and well known architect who could provide valuable experience and give credibility to the project.

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Raspberry Pi 4's low cost is based on Broadcom's BCM2711 SoC which is not limited to just Raspberry Pi 4.

Raspberry foundation has some UK government subsidies.


ARM and Broadcom are middle men (businesses) making money off the SoCs in the RPis. These middle men can be cut out even though the up front development costs are higher. The RPi may be subsidized but prices of competitive hardware with enough mass production should be able to get close. At the very least, a custom designed SoC allows more flexibility for different features than the RPI, even if the price was somewhat higher and/or value somewhat lower. A 68k SoC could support different software and have more retro appeal than ARM. I believe it could be appealing for embedded use too.

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Hammer 
Re: THEA500 Mini is coming!
Posted on 6-Sep-2021 6:50:12
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@matthey

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ARM and Apple have built markets. It would be difficult for a startup company to match their success right away but there is plenty of room in the huge embedded market.

ARM created its own market niche in the handheld market while Apple created iPod/iPhone to be a digital era "Walkman" which envious styling and ease-of-use UI. Apple's iPod displaced Sony's Walkman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U
Ballmer Laughs at iPhone.

The lesson: Ballmer's PowerPoint bullet points don't win market space wars. When compared to iPhone's iOS, the Windows Mobile 5.x phone's clunky UI was inferior despite PowerPoint bullet point features.

The focus point for Valve's Steam Deck is the ease-of-use UI and solving gaming PC's mouse control requirement for a handheld device. Valve's Steam Deck is selling into the millions.

For solving gaming PC's mouse control requirement for a handheld device, Valve has beaten the R&D efforts from the likes of Tencent, Dell, and Microsoft Research.

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Re: THEA500 Mini is coming!
Posted on 6-Sep-2021 12:45:30
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@Hammer

iOS walled garden limitations suck compared to Android:

1) Why not allow PC and Macs to see all files on an iPhone by default rather than ONLY photos?

2) Why is Bluetooth functionality limited to ‘audio devices’ and not file transfer too as per Android?

A lot of these phones are used for business! These are basic features! I had to WhattsApp a pdf to a friend to email back to me because of these needless restrictions! I can only guess that Apple succeed anyway because style over substance reigns supreme these days?

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Re: THEA500 Mini is coming!
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@BigD

Google Android has its own semi-walled garden e.g. Epic vs Google. LG has shown an Android contract restriction which is against bundling non-Google app stores.

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Re: THEA500 Mini is coming!
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@thread

Production begins:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9p8t_yFmZY&ab_channel=DVDfeverGames

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