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QBit 
Why is Haiku OS so well organized?
Posted on 19-Feb-2022 17:58:30
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And the Amiga Scene with it's much bigger User Base such a mess?

Anarchist Research Operating System! AROS!

Antichrist Research Operating System! AROS!

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Re: Why is Haiku OS so well organized?
Posted on 19-Feb-2022 18:14:32
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@QBit

I think you have the answer right there. There's a strong correlation between the number of broken glasses and the number of guests at a party. You invited the wrong crowd if there's no such correlation.

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Re: Why is Haiku OS so well organized?
Posted on 19-Feb-2022 18:39:22
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@sTix


This is the Hymn to all Amigans cooking their own Soup instead of organizing themselves!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RibfuH4yF04

Tested Haiku OS 64 Bit beta 3 on 4 Machines.. runs on none

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agami 
Re: Why is Haiku OS so well organized?
Posted on 21-Feb-2022 2:45:33
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@QBit

These two can only be superficially compared. There are vast differences between them which directly and indirectly correlate with their present day predicaments.

This is why I said I would pay someone to port Haiku/ppc to the X5000. Just to get away from the vultures.
Of course an AROS port to X5000 would be better, but as you said, the Haiku OS community is much more organized.

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Posted on 21-Feb-2022 8:36:34
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all these nonsense here who is better organized... you would need that if there would be a bigger team behind it. In a (for me) perfect world all the devs who are involved in the different platform would contribute to Aros. Then we would indeed need real project management. At least at the main branch there are only few developer contributing, additionally there is apolloos. For that you do not need lots of management, you need more developers. The basic problem on X86 always was and is driver support and uptodate software like webbrowsers. That is simply impossible to do on niche systems, whatever the organizations is. For me Deadwoods project to use linux as base and add aros (amiga) environment on it is the most realistic plan. Everything else only can fail in my view.

And who in this world would need Haiku on X5000?

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agami 
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@OlafS25
I agree with everything you wrote, especially the leveraging of Linux kernel/drivers as a base for a modern Amiga-like experience.

Also, no one "needs" Haiku on X5000. I'd just love to see it is all.

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Re: Why is Haiku OS so well organized?
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@OlafS25

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all these nonsense here who is better organized... you would need that if there would be a bigger team behind it. In a (for me) perfect world all the devs who are involved in the different platform would contribute to Aros.


And why don't they?

I remember seeing Haiku stands at various open source conferences, I keep seeing Haiku referred to in patches to various software, I see Haiku developers working together with NetBSD developers and FreeBSD developers of various stuff... to sum it up - the Haiku community at large are engaged in FOSS development. AROS is an isolated island in FOSS world, chained to legacy misfeatures and legal obstacles.

If one at least could get rid of the legal obstacles, so that truly ANYONE, free of risk can contribute code - even if they are involved in "official" AmigaOS development, or have "seen" the AmigaOS sources... and components and code could be shared between AROS and AmigaOS... only then may it be possible to truly move forward with both AmigaOS and AROS, and they could merge and become one.

But... too many hardheaded egos, too much emotion invested in pointless drama, and noone is getting any younger.

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If one at least could get rid of the legal obstacles, so that truly ANYONE, free of risk can contribute code - even if they are involved in "official" AmigaOS development, or have "seen" the AmigaOS sources... and components and code could be shared between AROS and AmigaOS... only then may it be possible to truly move forward with both AmigaOS and AROS, and they could merge and become one.


Why would they do that? AROS is a copy of AmigaOS. Why would anyone with the actual AmigaOS source code from the days of OS3 merge the offical code with a copy? That would polute it. Mind you old code would eventually need replacing anyway. But I don't see merging AmigaOS with a cover version as a realistic prospect.

Look at the System 54 project. Purporting to copy OS4. By all accounts they should be using AROS code. After all the end result will be a copy of OS4 components. Right now Enhancer has copies of OS4 components. It's going to take years to copy the whole thing. And then they will need to make their own NGFS for it to be complete.

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Posted on 24-Feb-2022 21:25:26
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@kolla

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kolla wrote:


I remember seeing Haiku stands at various open source conferences, I keep seeing Haiku referred to in patches to various software, I see Haiku developers working together with NetBSD developers and FreeBSD developers of various stuff... to sum it up - the Haiku community at large are engaged in FOSS development. AROS is an isolated island in FOSS world, chained to legacy misfeatures and legal obstacles.


You can't share much of AROS kernel development with BSD as you can't share Haiku kernel with with AROS or Linux either.

But you can share some of the application development between those OSes.

Games under SDL ( I believe we need SDL2 on AROS ) and even some 3D games on AROS where ported from other OSS systems to AROS, it's a shame we have so little applications under AROS that could be ported back to Haiku or BSD.

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Posted on 24-Feb-2022 22:29:23
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@QBit

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And the Amiga Scene with it's much bigger User Base such a mess?

Anarchist Research Operating System! AROS!

Antichrist Research Operating System! AROS!


Well you can mock AROS, but it is the only OSS based OS the 'Amiga scene' has and they poorly support it.

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