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amigang 
Amibench v46 (could this push aros?)
Posted on 1-Dec-2023 7:05:30
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So as we know Amigakit are developing the A600GS.

At the same time that I think been overlooked is they are making kinda a brand new OS, Amibench v46, that’s Aros powered, but crucially some of the work, a-eon done for Os4 is being back ported to Aros/68k.

They shared screenshots
http://wiki.amiga.org/index.php/File:A600gs_amibench_screen_3.png

Video of a600gs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dgqALCrVuiY&t=551s&pp=ygUGQTYwMGdz

They said it will have rtg support and a brand new icon set.

So my question is

Is Amigakit planning on releasing the OS separately?

Will any of this work that’s been done for Aros be released?

And to the community, would you try out just the os? What would make you try it? And what would you most like to see implemented in 68k Aros OS?

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Re: Amibench v46 (could this push aros?)
Posted on 1-Dec-2023 7:52:38
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@amigang

Perhaps a tailored ApolloOS would suit it better since they should have a more tight/optimized gfx core.

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Re: Amibench v46 (could this push aros?)
Posted on 1-Dec-2023 20:27:22
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@pixie

Quote:

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Perhaps a tailored ApolloOS would suit it better ...


ApolloOS is IMR derived from AROS 68k

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pixie 
Re: Amibench v46 (could this push aros?)
Posted on 1-Dec-2023 21:36:07
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@OneTimer1

I know, but while the 68k port isn't that much apart from x86 version, ApolloOS is geared more to 68k. AROS on x86 doesn't have to optimize things as much given how faster the CPU is, but if you run AROS on 68K it struggles.

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Re: Amibench v46 (could this push aros?)
Posted on 1-Dec-2023 21:59:12
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@amigang

Quote:
Is Amigakit planning on releasing the OS separately?


Probably not. It's something they need for the A600GS but without the parts of Enhancer that require Reaction it won't offer a great deal of extras over a standard build of AROS 68k.

Quote:
Will any of this work that’s been done for Aros be released?


The APL requires that modifications to the source code are made avialable to third parties. Amigkit may not have needed to change a single line of code in AROS so there might be nothing to actually release.

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agami 
Re: Amibench v46 (could this push aros?)
Posted on 2-Dec-2023 4:44:41
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@amigang

At this point it's going to have to be a Maybe for me.

I applaud the work done in ApolloOS, but there are still some major janky bits, e.g. disk management, upgrade process.
If AmigaKit ends up developing a more user-friendly AROS-derived OS for Amiga 68k software, then the Maybe will turn into a Yes.

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cdimauro 
Re: Amibench v46 (could this push aros?)
Posted on 2-Dec-2023 5:51:46
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@agami: ApolloOS is already targetting the Amiga (hence, 68k) and they have already done a lot of work.

Reinventing the wheel with another AROS 68k fork it doesn't make sense at all, especially taking into consideration the mentioned APL license which AROS has (which forces the Apollo team to release the changes made to the original source code).

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amigakit 
Re: Amibench v46 (could this push aros?)
Posted on 2-Dec-2023 10:25:48
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At this point we are just using AROS components to "fill in the blanks" in a similar way that MorphOS has.

The last four or five years we have internally developed our DOS command set so we do not require the AROS commands. We also have developed a full datatypes library, AK-Datatypes and various gadgets, classes, Prefs and utilities. Once again the similar AROS components are not required. On top of this Amibench is being developed as a closed desktop environment.

Any changes to the AROS source code, or any components using AROS source code will be published according to the AROS APL licence arrangements.

We hope A600GS users will enjoy using the SystemV46 distribution. Updater will be available with it to allow users to keep their system up to date.

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Rob 
Re: Amibench v46 (could this push aros?)
Posted on 2-Dec-2023 10:47:12
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@amigakit

Any news on the 68k version of Enhancer?

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amigakit 
Re: Amibench v46 (could this push aros?)
Posted on 2-Dec-2023 11:23:48
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@Rob

Effectively SystemV46 will contain most of the items that are also in the Enhancer Software OS3.

The A600GS project is taking most of the development time at the moment. Once it is complete we can review and decide if we can roll the software into the Enhancer Software 68k. The are some unofficial branches of OS3 now which makes it more difficult to support. So we will probably specify a 3.0 or 3.1 baseline for the Enhancer Software.

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Hypex 
Re: Amibench v46 (could this push aros?)
Posted on 2-Dec-2023 13:52:43
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@amigang

Looks like it could be an Enhancer 54 68K built on AROS. Though it seems strange now they need to rely on an AmigaOS copy. AmigaOS 68K is receiving updates again so why aren't the AmigaOS developers forking AmigaOS off into native Apollo and now A600GS ports?

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Posted on 2-Dec-2023 15:49:54
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@Hypex

Likely due to the legal mess of AmigaOS. I seem to remember reading that the reason the OS and Amiga name wasnt part of the A500 mini was because of this. So to get around this Amigakit used Aros. (Another win for Aros!)

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Re: Amibench v46 (could this push aros?)
Posted on 2-Dec-2023 16:17:07
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@amigang

Although, we are not using AROS, just some components. This is going to be a hybrid system made up mostly of the development we have done for the Enhancer Software with AROS components to supplement it.

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cdimauro 
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Posted on 3-Dec-2023 8:42:31
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@amigakit

Quote:

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@amigang

Although, we are not using AROS, just some components. This is going to be a hybrid system made up mostly of the development we have done for the Enhancer Software with AROS components to supplement it.

So, is your system Amiga o.s. 3.0/3.1-based?

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Posted on 8-Dec-2023 12:15:40
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@amigang

The A500 Mini was also designed for gamers but UAE does include a floppy boot rom. I read it was hard to boot workbench on it for some reason. But someone hacked it.

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kolla 
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Posted on 8-Dec-2023 17:23:00
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@pixie

The "problem" with AROS/68k on real Amiga hardware has little to do with CPU and quite a lot to do with Amiga chipset and AROS primarily using CGfx3 RTG.

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Posted on 8-Dec-2023 18:02:17
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@kolla
Quote:
The "problem" with AROS/68k on real Amiga hardware has little to do with CPU and quite a lot to do with Amiga chipset and AROS primarily using CGfx3 RTG

I know, that's why I said 'more tight/optimized gfx core'.

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Posted on 8-Dec-2023 19:21:36
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@cdimauro

Quote:
So, is your system Amiga o.s. 3.0/3.1-based?


It is OS3 compatible but the components are back ported from the Enhancer Software so will have a lot of influence from this development.

We are supplying a system distribution for the A600GS that uses 1920x1080 32-bit RTG Amibench screen, hardware accelerated with PNG icons. We hope it will be a polished experience for Amiga users.

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Posted on 8-Dec-2023 20:50:17
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@amigakit

This RTG system is developed by you on top of AROS?

Last edited by pixie on 08-Dec-2023 at 08:50 PM.

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Posted on 8-Dec-2023 22:02:52
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@amigakit

Quote:

amigakit wrote:
@cdimauro

Quote:
So, is your system Amiga o.s. 3.0/3.1-based?


It is OS3 compatible but the components are back ported from the Enhancer Software so will have a lot of influence from this development.

We are supplying a system distribution for the A600GS that uses 1920x1080 32-bit RTG Amibench screen, hardware accelerated with PNG icons. We hope it will be a polished experience for Amiga users.

This was already understood, but I was asking if you took the Amiga o.s. 3.1 or AROS and customized them with your changes.

I mean: the base o.s. should come from somewhere, right? You haven't written another Amiga o.s. rewriting (like AROS) from scratch...

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