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I don't mind the message so much as the way it is presented myself. If you want to convince someone your ideas are correct then perhaps yelling and screaming and stomping on bananas is not the most effective approach. Especially when it has proven totally futile in the last how many years now? Reminds me of one definition of insanity. Doing exactly the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Then again, we Amiga people aren't well known for our mental stability.

I guess this post is directed at Seehund?!

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@Fransexy,

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Quote: how many thought it was worth and made sense to pay for riding on the Amiga(TM) brand to shift more of their hardware? Acube system, ack, troika........it´s ironic but the problem is not that companies not want to pay Ainc for a licence, the problem is that Ainc seems not want to give licences

The problem is that there is a licensing requirement, which means that only irrelevant and already addicted basement operations that are as "crazy" as the rest of us could be interested in the first place. You just listed some of them, for crying out loud!

That AInc won't even let these little "community companies" (the only ones that could be interested) buy a licence, so that we could get more "special" overpriced underperforming junk on a closed-off pseudomarket, is just added irony. Not a problem when considering the whole situation, IMO.


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Quote: How many pieces of hardware that were marketed with the "AmigaOne" brand were sold in four years? 1,300? In reality they were sold in one year, only one batch were produced.so count all these years that Aone weren´t produced as selling years is create confusion

Eyetech ordered several Teron models, and they ordered several batches (if their own words are to be believed), and the "AmigaOnes" were available for sale for a period of at least two years, were they not?

Even if it had been only one model sold in only one year, then 1,300 units shifted would have been a disastrous result for something that was marketed as "the new Amiga". Now it was even worse than that.

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Quote: How big a success have all the various Amiga(TM)Whatever PocketPC solutions from AInc been? Even Microsoft were interested in AmigaDE for their (garbage) WindowsCE and partened with Ainc.do you remember? Or you only have selective memory?

That's funny. :)
An AInc "partnership" != success. See the next question, which you thought was a good one. Do you have selective memory? ;) Also, AInc buying a membership in the MS MPAC doesn't necessarily mean that MS were "interested" in whatever AInc (or other MPAC members) were trying to sell.

If anything, that event was an acid test on the Microsoft/PocketPC brands. AInc and others were prepared to pay for being associated with those, not the other way round.

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Quote: How many of AInc's "partnerships" turned out to exist at all, or to come to some sort of fruition? Now, that is a good question Well, only one of four of your (rhetoric)question has sense and cannot be refuted, that is what i call lie, confusing and trolling

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Interesting logic there. Disagreement goes both ways. You obviously disagree with me, you think what I say is wrong or doesn't make sense, but I don't call you a "liar" or a "troll" for this. Why should I or anybody else you think can "be refuted" have to put up with being called liars or trolls by you? Go ahead and refute instead. This is a forum for discussion and debate.

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Oh, bother.

@ssolie,

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A couple of thousand units advertised and sold to only Amiga fans does not count in my book.

Well, that's the result of an Amiga brand acid test. This test involved the Amiga brand and a crap product. The brand wasn't powerful enough to overcome the crappiness of the product. It was repeatedly advertised in both the Amiga community (which at least at the time was made up of many times more than 1300 people), as well as in "the real world" of alt-OS's; Slashduh, OSNews, Ars Technica, ExtremeTech, ...

Another test could be to apply the brand to an otherwise commercially attractive product, and see if sales are better or worse than the same product sold without the Amiga brand.

We can all observe that the brand indeed was powerful enough as a marketing tool aimed at a very small subset of the existing, old Amiga community. That market was saturated. I believe that a substantial part of this one-thousand-something subset consists of the "would buy dog turds if they were painted with red and white chequers" clientele, so like you said it's not much of a test other than demonstrating the bleedin' obvious.

The "commercially attractive product" acid test cannot be performed, due to the licensing scheme.

Not that I think it's possible to determine that [This Much] of the success/failure is due to the Product, and [That Much] is due to the Brand.

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Especially when it has proven totally futile in the last how many years now? Reminds me of one definition of insanity. Doing exactly the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Then again, we Amiga people aren't well known for our mental stability.

Precisely. :) Futile Repetition of Failures R Us.

AInc:
- Depending on that hardware vendors will come and ask to pay us for selling our software with their hardware on a "specal" market will make AmigaOS a success! Just wait! Yeah, a little bit more. Hoooold it... We have a good feeling about this one. Oh, scratch that, wait a bit more. We're, er, negotiating. Never mind, keep waiting. What's that, billt, an iBook? But that could sell! Let's wait. We feel some positive vibes now. Just around the corner. Here, have some Q&A to drool over. Just wait. Oh, 5 years already?

Community:
- There's new hardware coming! Oh, no, there wasn't. There's new hardware coming! Oh, no, there wasn't. Shut up, Tigger! There's new hardware coming! Oh, no, there wasn't. ...

- Hardware X is only two more weeks away! Ooops, OK, give it two more weeks! Don't listen to the FUD! Look, a photo! Shut up, JoannaK! Ooops, two more weeks...

- Buy an SDK! Buy a coupon! Wait for the AmigaOne1200! Oops. Buy the A1-SE, it's not a Teron, it works as advertised, we're protected, and you'll be running OS4 on it in two more weeks, AInc/Eyetech aren't lying. Oops, they were. What we need is a more strictly censored forum. Buy the A1-XE, they're not lying this time. Oops, they were. Buy the µ-A1, don't believe the FUD, they're not lying this time. Oooops, they're gone! Please come back and give us some more sweet lovin' up our aching rectal canals! AInc? Eyetech? Troika? Anyone? Shut up, Dave Haynie! What we need is a more strictly censored forum...
*community waves cash and grabs ankles*

And on and on and on it goes, for 7 years so far. Personally I think the repetitive fanboys have more reason to be concerned about their lucidity than the repetitive skeptics. The skeptics are at least consistently proven right at every cycle of repetition. As for me personally, I don't think I've been gloating anywhere near the amount I'm entitled to... ;)

It's the blind faith that has been damaging. The skepticism hasn't hurt anything, even if it didn't help (which it didn't in part due to the mindnumbing fanboyism and gullibility which made it possible to keep the scams running).

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Oh, bother.

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David Haynie sighting on Arsforum

@Dave Haynie

Uh oh, now you'll get this:

"Still angry I see.. That you still have the strength to be is amazing by itself.

Yes, Amiga is dead, the licence scheme sucks, Amiga Inc is stupid, no point in
making OS4 for custom hardware, we know.. You have told us on multiple occasions. "

;)

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Oh, bother.

@Thread:

Haven't had time to read the article yet but the comments here seem encouraging.

I'll give it a read later.

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@seehund
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The skeptics are at least consistently proven right at every cycle of repetition. As for me personally, I don't think I've been gloating anywhere near the amount I'm entitled...

Ah, so the real goal of all the bashing and trashing is to win the honour of "being right" and gloating to the web forum world how great it is. Must be nice to be a skeptic. Always right and all. Feels good I imagine. Do nothing but sitting back in the chair, typing up clever responses and pointing and laughing and telling everyone how right you skeptics are. Good to see this behaviour confirmed.

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@ssolie
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@seehund Quote: The skeptics are at least consistently proven right at every cycle of repetition. As for me personally, I don't think I've been gloating anywhere near the amount I'm entitled... Ah, so the real goal of all the bashing and trashing is to win the honour of "being right" and gloating to the web forum world how great it is. Must be nice to be a skeptic. Always right and all. Feels good I imagine. Do nothing but sitting back in the chair, typing up clever responses and pointing and laughing and telling everyone how right you skeptics are. Good to see this behaviour confirmed.

Wow, you chose to reply to one sentence from my rant, yet you managed to mangle this one sentence into the opposite of what I wrote, and then you sprinkled your new creation with some extra decoration. And voilà, you've got yourself a confirmation!

To put the sentence you quoted in simpler terms: People who are consistently right can rightly gloat at those who are consistently wrong. But I have not gloated. (And I won't even use a smiley this time, so you won't have to edit it out.)
Gloating has not been the intent of my participation in the debate over these issues. Go ahead and "confirm" what you will from that...

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Oh, bother.

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All in all it was a good article.

Not only good... I thought it was a great article! It covered all the bases and was well-written. I especially like the closing statements.

Truly,
Robert Bernardo
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hoho. amigans-site has copied the exact wording from this news event. (well, the first part).

This is noteworthy news, but exact wording?

Last edited by Insanity on 27-Jan-2007 at 09:30 AM.

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If you are going to quote me, do so fully or not at all.
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