@jahc

Hehehe. Sorry mate, I just couldn't resist.

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He, he, he....

Friendship in this forum? No way !!


Bill You do right, don't write into the forum of Amiga Community.
Today the community only(?) have Amiga Inc hater!!
The Amiga community is a big(50-100 people?) mob.

Bill, wait to You have a new Amiga community with many tousands of people
with new Amiga computers. This people, the mob, is a very smal part of
Amiga user in the World, not bigger then number of Amiga India crew.

Bill, wait and se when this words eat's up of the very small mob.

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Let me run Bill's answers through the universal bull*h*t translator and I will ask it to condense it into the bottom line:

Os 5 doesn't exist, we hope we win and get os 4, but this is doubtful. Ack has nothing at all done, in fact we just used them for the court case. The India division writes software for windows and not a one of them has ever used an Amiga.

In Quarter 4 we plan to rebadge Amiga Nowhere to Os 5 since Tao went under, and it really is a bad idea that we can't help but to continue to push on people.

Love that universal translater.

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(Poster: Wiesel Date: 5-Oct-2007 16:23:32) ...all eMails in the context of licensing the kickstart 1.3 binary file, the price for 250.000 units and finally getting me a proof of ownership of said binary file. Face it guys, the "Amiga curse" is not about the Amiga. It's about the people who supposedly own the rights.

I find those email headers far more compelling than any comment AI has made.

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The "OS5" concept sounds remarkably like a Java environment for cellphones and mobile devices. Is this really the future that the community wants?

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Poster: TheDaddy Date: 5-Oct-2007 20:26:14 I think that Amiga will never, ever go back to what it used to be, I am sorry to say that. I am seriously thinking to get an Intel Quad processor with a juicy Gigabyte motherboard, 4GB of 1066MHz DDR2, a 8800 GTS 320MB nVidia graphics card and run Vista Ultimate and XP on 1TB hard drive (2x500MB), I will at least be able to enjoy what the market has to offer games and application wise.

Go for it! A system like that would be a quatum leap in performance, and finally you would have choice again in software. You could always look at something like UAE/Amiga Forever if you want to retain a bit of nostalgia.

You are correct, in that the Amiga will never be again what it once once - a breakthrough hardware and software combination brought out at a time when the personal computer market was still in an early developing phase.

AI's primary focus is no longer in the PC arena, and in today's environment they would only be capable of delivering a mediocre over-priced offering assembled from off-the-shelf components. They have neither the budget nor the visionaries to deliver anything revolutionary.

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@jahc Hehehe. Sorry mate, I just couldn't resist.

Bill Mc may have been refering to a young chap called Jarno Van Der linden who last I heard lived in downtown Auckland, but that was a few years back. He was then the 2D man for Amiga DE, working with the guy in Germany. When asked how come? he said, "Getting paid to work on a new OS? Why not?"

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amigainc and hyperion must resolve the difference on gentleman.

they tried 1 year+ without success and ainc made the lawsuit.

hyperion is the best because they made aos4. hyperion could ask they want.

ainc must give to hyperion he wants.

the question:

why hyperion don't want millions of dollars ??????????

- (found ainc want to put aos4 for the amiga computer on a graveyard and use aos4 transformed to aos5 only for stb, phone,....)

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or http://amigaworld.net/userinfo.php?uid=1120 #6

Um, Australia and New Zealand are totally separate countries.

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Seems like he does remember me, and finally, after his last eMail in february, he promises again to have his lawyers contact me. I'll keep you updated. Oh, the Header points to him having a new computer now. First it was "Billsbox", then "BillsCompaq", and now just "com", which is a result of Outlook V12 not putting the computer's ID in the MSGID. However, the mailservers do: Received: from BillMcEwenPC (207-225-233-228.tukw.qwest.net [207.225.233.228]) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:15:16 -0700 Message-ID: 004201c8076a$ebae0fc0$c30a2f40$@com I'll keep you updated (though I have something far better than Kick1.3 now). ciao, Jens

It's not serious to write like that about a other company leader!
Show respect!

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Um, Australia and New Zealand are totally separate countries.

Heh! Yes. I made that post to get your attention.
Read this fellow's posts. I found them quite interesting.

We have very few real AA guys posting here.

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Here's my take on the subject of OS5:

1. OS5 will not be tied to one platform or any specific hardware base unlike OS4 and therefore not be in a situation like OS4 and the AmigaOne where you cannot run OS4 on anything else.
2. OS4 was an evolution of OS3.9 but I think OS5 will more radical and a revolution over OS4.
3. OS5 will probably based on a microKernel similar to QNX or Tao's Intent type OS but better.
4. I will not be based on Unix or Linux.
5. I will support and run on a lot of modern hardware.
6. I am sure if it will run standalone or 'on top' of another host address eg a virtual machien (but it could be either or both).
7. It will have a lot more development and support than OS4 ever had.


I there is an annoucement later this year, I will await with interest.

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1. Unless, it is in fact based on AmigaAnywhere(2???), which based on existing products likely be shackled to Windows. Amino/ITEC/KMOS (AIK: pronouced "ache", as in head'ache') has shown absolutely no evidence that they do or will support any other platform (and no, the AmigaDE SDK doesn't count).

2. Revolution? Really??? If on the remote chance it is an 'original' solution; as in individual third party devleopers directly contracted by AIK, it will likely be a ripoff of some existing project... Maybe something a kin to Mono or REBOL? More likely though, I suspect that just like AmigaDE, AIK will/is/has license{ing, ed} another third party solution they will then re-badge as their own. Or failing even that. Continue to claim that something called OS5 exists, when in fact it only exists in the imaginings of Mr. McEwen and Mr. Moss.

Personally, I think the evolutionary AmigaOS 4, AROS, and/or MorphOS are immensely more preferable to a complete unknown quantity (that may or may not exist). Especailly considering the fact that most of the inovative features promised by DE/AA/OS5 pretty much exist elsewhere in Java, .Net, REBOL, XUL, etc.

3. I tend to doubt that anything AIK will/has come/came up with could be better than Tao's intent... Unless they're licensing it from someone else, that is. AIK has shown absolutely no evidence that they (not indivdual subcontractors) can write a single block of compilable code. Everything they have is written by someone else.

4. Probably true... But so what?

5. The hosted version maybe... Stand alone it'll be in the same boat as AmigaOS 4. As big as AIK thinks it is, it probably only has a tiny, tiny, TINY, TINY, MINUSCULE fraction of the clout Apple does. I'm positive that no hardware manufacturers are banging down AIK's doors offering them documentation (that isn't already public). I have no confidence AIK has the money to buy such documentation and still contract developpers for anything.

6. The ambiguity of answer #7 leaves me wondering if OS5 will only exist as a virtual OS running on top of a host OS. If that is the case, then I doubt OS5 will be any more successful than DE/AA is now. Which is to say virtually not-at-all (pun intended!). If it ever does run stand alone, I'll be amazed. If it has any resemblance other than cosmetic to Amiga OS, I'll be astounded. If it turns out it is a true heir to what the Amiga has stood for, I'll be flabbergasted... But I'm not and will not be holding ]my breath that's for sure.

7. I doubt that AIK will attract all that many Amiga developers (past or present), even if AIK can deliver OS5 in a timely fashion. Well, except those AIK claim they already have. As for mainstream developers, forget a bout it. AIK's credibility is completely shot. The only way any mainstream developer would support OS5 is if they already intended to support the technology AIK will/is/has license{ing, ed}. In other words, Tao all over again.

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My personal take is that OS5 is either a pipe dream or that it's just another third party solution AIK will attempt to pass off as "Amiga". If it does exist, it probably isn't anywhere close to being ready for release. I mean both Apple and M$ had public beta programs for OSX and Vista. AIK can't even prove they have a prototype! There aren't even any rumors of OS5's existence! Well, other than those spread by McEwen himself (which IMNSHO don't count). The same goes for hardware from ACK. As tight as Apple is when it comes to pre-release info, they couldn't prevent leaks that exposed the iMac, Mac Mini, and various iterations of the iPod. Where are the leaked photos? Where are the leaked specs (other than from ACK)? I suppose it's possible that the Amiga market and its mind share have shrunk so much that anyone who might bother couldn't be bothered. If that's the case, where the hell is AIK going to get anybody - that they don't already have in their corner - to back them?

Is Hyperion perfect? No. But for all Hyperion's faults, they at least delivered. They have acted with far more integrity and honor than AiK ever have. AIK, on the other hand are a bad joke.

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To: Bill McEwen

I lost any respect for you or Mr. Moss I gave you at the Amiga 2001 Gateway Computer Show after the whole t-shirt debacle. Up until then it had been trickling away. By the time of the "Amiga Washington" to "Amiga Deleware" transaction took place, you had fully earned my scorn.

You; and the company you work for, have an extremely long road to redemption. Not just in this community, but in the computing industry as a whole. You; and the company you work for, have abused and degraded the Amiga name to a nearly irreparable level. You; and the company you work for, have been dishonest and deceitful. You; and the company you work for, have no credibility whatsoever. To continue making these veiled attempt at consoling the Amiga community, you insult our intelligence and only make yourself; and the company you work for, look more foolish. If your going to publish an open letter, make it sincere. If you're going to answer questions, answer them instead of obfuscating (otherwise don't answer at all). If you're going to make any announcement, make it one of true substance. And by that I mean, you can claim OS5 exists or ACK has a hardware reference, but you have to show tangible proof. Just diverting attention toward an arbitrary future date doesn't work... Or haven't you learned that already?

As to your lamenting the inaccuracies of the press... Since you, and the company you work for, are in such a litigious mood. Why don't you sue The Seattle Times? Prove they are either misrepresented you or out-and-out lying so at least everyone else doesn't believe you misrepresented yourself; and the company you work for, or lied yourself; or on behalf of the company you work for.

How about that?

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Respect is earned, not given.

So, we have "I don't know this man or his company" vs. Jens e-mail headers. I guess that's Bill way of showing respect.

Also, Linnear, you sound like broken record. You come here, say we're unfriendly and not share your love for AI menagment, say we're going to eat our words (yeah, right. Because we can't see pattern in AI actions).

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other company leader!

And this, I find funny. Bill McEvan, leader and AI! Someone has to edit Wikiedia entry on oxymoron!

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